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bespoke radio for the masses headline

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additional july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disk has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this world

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening

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to black

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bespoke radio

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how you doing how you doing today is

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monday august 16 2021

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229 days into the new year only

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere

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a total undisclosed location but

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it is beautiful that's right

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how you doing let's get cracking we've

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got an amazing week

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lined up in front of this on fade to

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black i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states hither and

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tither to and fro back and forth up and

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and kgra the planets

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our murals jimmy church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing

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all right tonight

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tonight on this very program we have

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micah hanks is joining us

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micah hanks from the debrief we're going

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the faa and uaps his most recent article

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ufo headlines from around the world all

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of that coming down at the bottom of the

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hour tomorrow night ronnie leblanc of

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thursday well it was going to be fader

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big things are going down so three days

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simple enough hashtag f2b is the sandbox

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this show cracking happy birthday to

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ron's face as i said madonna i want to

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madonna is 63 years old steve carroll is

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old on this day in history 1977 and went

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tennessee here's your fader fact

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is your fader fact tonight we have very

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special guest micah hanks is here i want

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to remind everybody tomorrow night it's

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he was playing oh that's my fault oh

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that's i i did it again

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i did it again i did it again now now

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you guys can hear me and yes we're gone

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brother you're back and now captain ron

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and mark sims is wondering what is going

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on mark sims how are you tonight sir

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i'm doing great how are you jimmy man

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you got the best smile in the world

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only to be outdone though by uh captain

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ron captain ron how are you tonight man

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i'm terrific now that i got you alive i

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thought oh it's gonna be trouble yeah

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and see this is the problem right before

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uh me in tape delay but uh nonetheless

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uh we're here we're live we are good

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and now coming up uh august 18th

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and i've had a lot of uh communication

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everybody is aware

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of the making contact convergence

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conference this is a big deal

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got a special promotion going we'll get

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to all of that in just a bit but i want

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to throw this over to mark first mark

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what gave you the idea to to get this

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back in 2015 when i met danny sheehan

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and he presented me the concept of the

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and we started we founded that together

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um back when dr mack was still alive it

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the so so anyway

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it's very involved and um

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new paradigm institute in the years of

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fact that we had a brick and mortar

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expensive we weren't making good headway

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trying to break into the academic

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academic folks there having this

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discussion about the

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philosophical and theological impact of

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the reality of ets visiting this planet

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i decided to take a step back and and

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rethink it and that

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process evolved into a

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school without walls or an institute

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without walls ultimately a virtual

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platform

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in which people can participate from

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around the world safely

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and have a discussion about on these

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topics

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and so uh so what's happening here is

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for for your listeners to really

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understand there's two things happening

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at once one we're launching a virtual 3d

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platform that's an experience like

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second life

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ideally for experiencers people who know

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that et's are here and

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and want to have a discussion about the

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implications of that a serious

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discussion

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and then this is our our inaugural event

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our five day

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conference where we can bring these

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luminaries from the ufo et

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field

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and and also bring to the table

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uh these scientists and politicians and

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academics

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to and psychologists to have a a

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discussion about the implications on our

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world

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um culturally and politically

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because this is going to touch every

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facet of our life and we need to begin

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having this discussion in earnest now

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especially now that the government has

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effectively admitted that we are not

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alone that we are being visited

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by a highly intelligent technically

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advanced

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non-human species

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and and and captain ron and now you and

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i have been friends for a long time and

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uh you've been on my show i've been on

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yours and and and everything is great

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and all of a sudden

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you presented to me and

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uh

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along with mark and some others but you

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gave me a personal walkthrough

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of this amazing technology uh which is

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now the uh making contact campus

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how i i i i'm so impressed with this but

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if you were going to tell our audience

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exactly what we are talking about how

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would you do that i would do it by

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saying exactly what i sort of set out to

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do initially was to create the uh the

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live

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conference experience look how much fun

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we have at these conferences in lofton

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we had a ball at contact we have a ball

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every one of these is the greatest thing

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and it feels to me so much more than

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just a zoom call with the brady bunch

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faces

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now it feels like that hey let's go over

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to the vendor booth and you can walk

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through vendor booths hey let's go let's

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go over to this uh q a session there's

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another guy over here you can walk up

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and talk to a speaker like yourself and

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have your actual face behind your avatar

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so it feels very much like a real event

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you walk around just like you would and

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as you know jimmy when you walk it's

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just like real life where you when

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someone comes close to you your voice

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gets louder and then when they walk away

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your voice fades away just like in real

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life so it really sort of mimics a real

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world experience which is really

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terrific yeah one of the things that i

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enjoy about it so much is that you

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uh can

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integrate

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uh your microphone and your camera if

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you choose

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but the

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the microphone part of this with your

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own voice is very important because

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you're not texting you're not typing you

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know the communication on the keyboard

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you're again you can or if you choose to

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do that and well okay not to get too

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deep into the technology but you can

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have private chats on the side you can

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do it via text nobody else can see it

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but you and somebody else that you want

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to interact with um but uh but being

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able to go up to somebody and say

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yo which i have done right

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and and somebody can turn around and go

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hey

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yes it is me and you can sit and and

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talk in real time like you would at a

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conference

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uh you can go to the expo both jimmy and

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walk right up to richard dolan's avatar

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and see his face live real time like i'm

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seeing you

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and he could sign a book to you and you

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can buy it through his website and he

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can mail it to you in the uk and you can

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get that inner that personal experience

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from three million miles away or

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whatever yeah it's uh it's it's amazing

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and it's not just

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uh the auditorium uh there are many

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venues there and offices and cubicles

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and and

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board rooms

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yeah

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yes

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and uh i i guess next will be uh

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um uh

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water uh water skis

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on the on the back of those boats i

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think that's almost allowed mark will

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pick up on that

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yeah right right right now uh ron before

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i go back uh to mark uh let's go through

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the lineup of the speakers because i

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don't think that everybody

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um understands not only uh uh the

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quality of who is there but how many

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it's a five-day event

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um the magnitude of these people jimmy

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these are the top people and you know

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you have the big names in our community

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obviously linda molten howe richard

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dolan whitley strieber the icons you

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know the the top people in this but then

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you have people that mark and and danny

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were able to go out and get which like

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lou elizondo

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eric weinstein ralph blumenthal from the

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new york times i mean that is a heavy

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hitter right there and you're getting

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these different perspectives on this

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topic a guy like don schmitz going to be

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there with all his roswell knowledge

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marshall summers there's a voice you

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don't get to hear much he's going to be

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there steve bassett alan steinfeld adam

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curry ray hernandez there are so many

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people from so many different

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perspectives and

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and uh areas of life that it's nice to

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kind of get that mix to hear what other

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people are thinking

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it's it's an incredible lineup now uh

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mark i know it's just when you look down

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the list of names i mean a few do stick

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and you and victor's great by the way

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and uh and his good friend our good

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friend paul hellyer who uh who just left

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this earth and and you know here's

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victor uh coming in for this event and

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and but

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paul uh uh i wanna just mention real

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quick that mark dedicated our auditorium

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it is now called the paul hellyer

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auditorium yeah it's very cool and one

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you know one of the names that sticks

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out um mark

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is eric weinstein where

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eric um who

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is well is hugely influential and in in

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a few different aspects of our society

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but he is uh a very intelligent mind

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but

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fred to have anybody would say well

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that's a get right there they think

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they got

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eric weinstein

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i mean that's just incredible

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he's never spoken at one of these

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conferences i mean he's uh a world

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who's got his own podcast called the

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portal that has thousands of people

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around the world he's a member of mensah

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one of the smartest human beings on

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earth

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and

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he is going to be joining us on the very

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first day wednesday

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and has a speaking spot you know he's

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not just coming in to kind of hang out

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on a panel discussion even though he

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will be on the panel discussion later

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the first day but he's presenting

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uh in the morning uh on the first day

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and so uh you know he's he is absolutely

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riveted about this new awareness that

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he's learned because of the pentagon uh

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announcement you know the report that

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came out and his his uh interest in

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danny's career and the two of them have

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become friends over the last year and uh

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you know danny has been on the portal

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uh podcast a number of times and it just

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was by accident that eric happened to

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find out that danny had this rich

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long background in the uap phenomenon

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you know with his relationship with

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people like greer and dr john mack and

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um many others you know stephen bassett

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uh the list goes on and on

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and uh

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you know and because of the timing of it

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corresponding with the the new

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navy videos that came out in the new

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york times

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story that came out in 2017 that broke

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this thing wide open

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uh eric has really had a change of uh of

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thought about this you know he was

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really convinced that this was nonsense

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and wasn't uh worth his kind but now

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he's really interested and having being

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somebody in the physics community who

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has developed his own special theory

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of you know a grand unity theory called

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geometric unity which talks about

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um and predicts uh higher dimensions

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um you know this all of a sudden begins

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to add up in his mind that maybe this

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phenomenon and these extraterrestrials

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that have visited our planet are coming

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from these higher dimensions and so it's

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uh it's really going to be interesting

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to hear what he has to say like i said

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he's never spoken on this topic publicly

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before so

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we're we're in for a treat and uh i'm

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going to be hanging out uh i'm gonna do

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my thing on a saturday night

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and uh everybody can go check out the

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schedule and stuff but for you fade or

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not if you want to check out what what

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i'm going to be doing it'll be saturday

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night but before we get to that ron

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what's the format uh for each day

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uh you have the auditorium with the

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three

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jumbotrons right on the inside of the

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auditorium um what's the format

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it's going to be a one track thing so

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it's going to go all day in the

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auditorium where we're going to have

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people do lectures pretty much on the

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hour 10 11 12 1 2 and then at three we

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pretty much have a daily panel with

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those people that presented and then

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they can all sort of debate their

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different viewpoints on the topic for

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that day and we're going to do that

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wednesday thursday friday and saturday

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and then in the evening now we've added

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a couple more lectures even after that

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last panel and then of course we're

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gonna wrap it up saturday night at nine

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o'clock with you having different people

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stop by

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and just kind of recapping what they

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learned or gave and shared during the

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four days yeah it's going to be amazing

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and uh the

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the cost okay so

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uh we have the promo code uh jimmy save

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100. i've popped that up in twitter

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uh it's right there for everybody and i

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will get this over in the video

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description box

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over on oh mark's trying to jump in mark

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go ahead i want to say something here

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jimmy that uh we just increased the

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see and and that's what kind of show

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prep we do around here i had no idea

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00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:30,799
mark thank you for doing that i i saw

564
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:33,760
the price increase a couple of days ago

565
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,880
and i was

566
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:36,799
wondering how that was gonna work but it

567
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,200
doesn't matter jimmy save 100 you're

568
00:25:45,310 --> 00:25:41,600
gonna get uh you're gonna get in for for

569
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:45,320
five days five and a half days uh for

570
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:48,080
149 all in

571
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right

572
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:53,120
to miss it okay

573
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,240
jimmy there there is one presentation

574
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,039
that is going by itself going to be

575
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:01,440
worth the price of admission this is the

576
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:02,640
best one

577
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:04,880
come on and uh you know there i've been

578
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:07,919
hearing uh online about you know people

579
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:09,919
complaining that we're paying that we're

580
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:13,039
charging anything for this

581
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:15,279
which i don't quite understand

582
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,400
especially considering how much time and

583
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:20,480
money that has been put into this

584
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:24,000
platform and preparing for this event

585
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,520
it's you know

586
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:28,159
for people you get what you pay for

587
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,080
and we're trying to

588
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:32,880
encourage people to um

589
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:36,159
join something really special and if we

590
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:39,279
just were to give it away one it's not

591
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,039
sustainable we want to create a

592
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,840
sustainable platform and we want to we

593
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:45,360
need thousands

594
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,760
you know of people to get there

595
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:50,000
and i have put a lot of my own blood

596
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,000
sweat and tears into building this thing

597
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:54,799
and my own money to to build this people

598
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,320
are getting a bargain oh it's incredible

599
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,360
what's this this event is a big line up

600
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:03,200
for that bargain seriously jimmy you and

601
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:04,720
i've gone to a lot of these kind these

602
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:06,000
conferences there's nothing like this

603
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,760
look at that lineup yeah yeah there's

604
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,080
nothing there's nothing like it and the

605
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,559
technology i'm gonna say this ron ron

606
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:14,640
doesn't know about this i'm not gonna

607
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:17,600
drop names and i'm not going to do that

608
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:21,840
but um earlier today i was speaking to

609
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:25,120
a film producer from hollywood of note

610
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:26,399
okay

611
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:29,279
and uh and she says to me she goes jimmy

612
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:32,080
uh have you what i did this making

613
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:35,279
contact i said what about it this is the

614
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:38,640
most incredible technology i said i know

615
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:40,720
i know what are you saying is there a

616
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,679
way

617
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:43,679
i can get involved and have hollywood

618
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,360
involved i said hold on

619
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:49,120
got mark on the phone

620
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:49,840
mark

621
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:52,320
and and i made the introduction but how

622
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:55,600
cool was that mark to hear so cool jimmy

623
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:58,000
true story every true story is true i

624
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,120
got a call

625
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:01,120
out of the blue today

626
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with your friend

627
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,720
and uh i was blown away and it it really

628
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,520
turned into a very exciting conversation

629
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,679
because you know what people have to

630
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:13,600
understand is that this event we're

631
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:16,720
doing is just the very beginning this is

632
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,240
a permanent platform that is open 24

633
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:22,159
hours seven days a week we're going to

634
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,559
be hosting other events not just our own

635
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:26,559
events but we're making this open and

636
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,120
available to others to do private events

637
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:31,679
public events we can make the parts of

638
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:34,880
the campus private so you can still hang

639
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:35,600
out

640
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,399
and be on the campus anytime you want

641
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:40,960
but we can lock the doors at certain

642
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:43,840
times and have private things going on

643
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:46,960
inside for classes or for private events

644
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:49,919
private showings of a new movie that's

645
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:52,880
going to be premiering hint you know all

646
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:56,000
these things very very cool and the

647
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:58,480
people who are on campus are going to be

648
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,520
privy to this stuff and possibly get

649
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,760
news that they would not otherwise get

650
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:06,000
you know what uh ron so she tells me

651
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:07,360
today i go well what do you know about

652
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,399
it jimmy i've already got my avatar i've

653
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:13,200
got my tickets i've been walking around

654
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:17,200
this i i was just i was like what i mean

655
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:18,720
it just took me by surprise and it was

656
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:20,240
just so cool

657
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:23,279
and immediately um she gets the

658
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:26,799
technology right she understands it and

659
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:28,480
and that's exactly what they've been

660
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,679
looking for

661
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:31,360
for some of the things that they and and

662
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,200
the next thing you know um we made

663
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:35,520
contact today so

664
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:38,480
there you go okay so everybody it's very

665
00:29:41,549 --> 00:29:39,600
simple

666
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,559
go to

667
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:43,760
makingcontact.com you can start right

668
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:45,520
there the links are up all throughout

669
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:48,480
social media it's on my twitter feed the

670
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:52,159
promo code upper caps is jimmy save 100

671
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:55,760
ticket prices or 3.49 use jimmy save 100

672
00:30:00,830 --> 00:29:58,159
you don't save 100 you save 220

673
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:00,840
you're still gonna get your tickets for

674
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,760
149 bucks five day event

675
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:05,760
the the best technology you're going to

676
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,000
have the greatest time i want everybody

677
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,679
to go and do it now

678
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,000
mark sims you're the best thank you so

679
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:14,799
much my friend captain ron continued to

680
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,440
cause trouble okay

681
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:18,960
so what i'm here for brother that's what

682
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:21,039
i'm talking about you guys have a great

683
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:22,720
night i'm going to take a quick break

684
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:25,200
and i'll be right back with our guest

685
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,559
i almost said mark sims mike thanks

686
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,960
will be joining us thank you captain

687
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:32,880
thank you mark have a great night and

688
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,840
i'll talk to both of you

689
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,640
tomorrow you buddy

690
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:38,559
this is fade to black i am your host

691
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:41,360
jimmy church tonight micah hanks i want

692
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:44,960
everybody to go to makingcontact.com

693
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,640
promo code is jimmysave100 all uppercase

694
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:50,399
go do it get your tickets now get your

695
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avatar ready it's five days august 18th

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19th 20th

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21st 22nd i can count i can count this

698
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is fade to black i'm yours jimmy church

699
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:02,640
i'll be right back after this short

700
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:03,850
break stay with us

701
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supply i do disruptions in the food

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now save 20 off a full four week supply

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of delicious meals that provide 2 000

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calories a day saving 20 helps too

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doesn't it especially now so go to

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prepare with jimmy.com and get ready

783
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that's prepare

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preparedwithjimmy.com there's no time to

785
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lose

786
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nine out of ten geneticists agree

787
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:14,829
fade to

788
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black is not

789
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your father's radio show

790
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:22,920
on the game changer radio network and

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kgra the planet

792
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:29,119
hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

793
00:35:39,890 --> 00:35:36,550
what's up i'm chris what up this is

794
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:39,900
jimmy church radio

795
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:57,510
all right welcome back paid to black i

796
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:58,400
am your host

797
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,000
jimmy church i want to thank

798
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:04,320
mark sims and captain ron for coming in

799
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:07,520
this event that they have put together

800
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:10,560
is extraordinary uh you have to check it

801
00:36:12,829 --> 00:36:11,359
out

802
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:12,839
and just go to

803
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:15,440
makingcontact.com and use that promo

804
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:18,480
code all uppercase jimmysave100

805
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:21,440
tickets are like 369. you're gonna get

806
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,320
them for 149 bucks five day event it's

807
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,640
uh it's just incredible all right

808
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:29,280
tonight micah hanks

809
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,320
micah hanks joining us

810
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:34,000
to cause some trouble we're going to

811
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:36,240
talk about his latest article over on

812
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:39,680
the debrief about fa the faa and the

813
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,560
reporting of uaps we're also going to

814
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,000
discuss some other news over at the

815
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,560
debrief and and all that ufo stuff going

816
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,640
on around the world right now some say

817
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:50,400
he's a podcaster

818
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,839
some say he's a radio legend some say

819
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:55,040
he's a

820
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:58,000
history fanatic some call him a science

821
00:37:04,069 --> 00:36:59,599
enthusiast

822
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,079
that's another story

823
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:06,320
he says he's a junkie of all things

824
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:07,839
philosophical

825
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,240
that's right but he does know a little

826
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,720
bit about current events he has appeared

827
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,480
on numerous television radio programs

828
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:16,800
including coast to coast caravan and

829
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:19,920
midnight with john b wells and in his

830
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:20,960
bio

831
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:23,200
it says of course fade to black and

832
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that's all i've got to say he's the

833
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author of several books including the

834
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ghost rockets and mysticism and the

835
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molecule and the search for sentient

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intelligence from other worlds

837
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:36,160
and uh this is the deal he currently

838
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:39,200
hosts the micah hanks program formerly

839
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:40,400
known as

840
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:43,440
the graylien report and i will never

841
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:44,320
ever

842
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,440
stop that drop that micah did for me so

843
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:49,440
many years ago i would like to welcome

844
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:51,920
back to fade to black the one and only

845
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,839
micah hanks micah good evening young man

846
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:58,079
young man i may be older than you at

847
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:01,040
least in space time years ah

848
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,240
well if we go back to if we go back if

849
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,800
we go back to 1917

850
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:08,160
and and

851
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:11,760
and albert einstein when he

852
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:14,000
first started to

853
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:15,839
present to the world

854
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:19,040
what space time was and how time could

855
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:22,640
change around a large object like a

856
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:24,320
planet or a star

857
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:28,800
and that time would certainly change

858
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:30,839
i am younger than

859
00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:33,599
you well i'm glad we finally figured

860
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:34,030
this out

861
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:35,839
[Laughter]

862
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:38,720
i look younger that's all that matters

863
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,280
it's it's it's not about uh it's not

864
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:43,200
about the hard numbers it's not the

865
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,040
linear uh distance of time it's how you

866
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:51,349
yeah or very least it's how you feel i

867
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:52,720
mean there's that other expression

868
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:55,280
you're only as old or as young as you

869
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:56,400
feel

870
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:58,960
so you know when i say that you know i

871
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,920
feel like a 35 year old guy even though

872
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:04,320
i'm actually you know coming up on a

873
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,359
i'm i'm nearing 40. still in my 30s got

874
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:09,520
a couple more years to go there

875
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:12,160
but but my mental age is actually on up

876
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,359
there you know i mean i feel like this

877
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,440
isn't my first time around and uh and

878
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,520
that's kind of cool i've always tried to

879
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:19,520
keep a bit of that sense of the cosmetic

880
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:20,400
right

881
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:23,440
oh man i i'm just so depressed

882
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:25,280
i was in a good mood i was in a good

883
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:26,240
mood

884
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:30,480
you haven't even hit the big four zero

885
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:31,599
wow

886
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,720
tomorrow and i'll be 50 and then 60

887
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:38,720
after that you know and then 600 so yeah

888
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:41,680
that's how it goes well do you miss uh

889
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:44,160
before we get to uh the heat of the

890
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:45,599
matter that we're going to be discussing

891
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,880
tonight you did terrestrial radio for a

892
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:50,480
long time

893
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,359
and terrestrial radio is a whole

894
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,040
different ball game

895
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:58,000
than the internet or podcasting uh where

896
00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:59,599
you're dealing with

897
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:02,480
uh self-censoring you know words

898
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,240
subjects uh fcc laws and regulations and

899
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:09,119
and fines if you step outside of the you

900
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,160
know and so you you're dealing with that

901
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,400
do you miss terrestrial radio or do you

902
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:16,400
enjoy the freedom of of what we're doing

903
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:17,280
now

904
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:19,920
it's a bit of both i mean i still miss

905
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:22,000
the thrill of

906
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,599
live radio i mean for years like

907
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,760
yourself you know i was really living

908
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,280
that i mean it was an everyday thing for

909
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:29,520
me and if i wasn't

910
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:32,880
doing on air and i wasn't in a studio

911
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:35,920
actually producing or hosting live radio

912
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:38,480
i was in a production studio doing voice

913
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:39,280
work

914
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,160
for uh you know various programs intros

915
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:44,079
you know commercial spots public service

916
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,599
announcement i mean i really kind of did

917
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,520
everything with the exception of you

918
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,680
know the standard news reporting that

919
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:51,520
was one area i never really worked in

920
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,720
the news department even though i would

921
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:54,319
still contribute but i never was the guy

922
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,160
sitting back there at 5 00 a.m preparing

923
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,720
the newscasts uh you know i guess i'm

924
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,319
thankful for that much but i have great

925
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,000
respect for the people who operate in

926
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,920
that aspect of it but on the talk radio

927
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,760
side of things sure there was plenty of

928
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,599
news reporting as well and so yeah

929
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,440
there's that immediacy that energy of

930
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:11,680
being live and being able to enjoy that

931
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,760
that i'll always miss but i mean i've

932
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:16,000
heard dan carlin and a lot of old radio

933
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,599
guys who've now you know made the

934
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:19,920
transition over to podcasts and they all

935
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:21,599
kind of say the same thing i like the

936
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,599
freedom of this format the freedom to be

937
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,520
able to really speak your mind

938
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,920
there is the ability to edit sometimes

939
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:29,760
although i try to keep editing to a

940
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,520
minimum on my shows and i still love

941
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,680
being able to be live like this right uh

942
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,760
you know i i enjoy aspects of both

943
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:37,359
really and so i've always tried to

944
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,200
strive for more of a hybrid rather than

945
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,800
say i'm going to really super edit

946
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:42,560
everything or everything is going to be

947
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,760
live and i think that's the beauty of

948
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:45,359
youtube and all this you know now

949
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,880
everybody can kind of experience some of

950
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,200
that energy yeah well you know what i

951
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,760
you know what i found is that

952
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,200
um

953
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:55,520
uh you know i did coast uh coast to

954
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:57,680
coast am for so many years i did it for

955
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:58,880
six and a half

956
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:01,280
and and i was doing coast at the same

957
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:05,040
time of uh doing fade to black both

958
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:06,160
shows

959
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,359
are live right and there's an edge that

960
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,800
you get

961
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,240
from live

962
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:15,040
the few times micah over the years and

963
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:17,839
it's only been maybe

964
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:20,880
five times out of two thousand broadcast

965
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:22,000
right

966
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,200
that uh i had to tape something

967
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:27,359
and you know it was somebody that was in

968
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:30,079
china or you know in switzerland or

969
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:31,040
whatever

970
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:34,480
and the time didn't work

971
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:37,839
live for them so we had to tape and i i

972
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,640
don't enjoy doing that but i did anyway

973
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:42,640
i go and i listen

974
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:46,160
to myself on those taped shows it's a

975
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:47,839
totally different dude

976
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:50,720
it's not the same when it's not live

977
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,119
it's not the same

978
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,440
i ask questions differently the tone of

979
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:57,599
my voice my pacing

980
00:43:04,870 --> 00:42:58,400
my

981
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:04,880
different when i know it's taped

982
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,800
it's a totally different thing it's i'm

983
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,400
not the same person

984
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,400
yeah i i know exactly what you mean i

985
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,400
actually make more mistakes when i am

986
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,079
pre-recording

987
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:16,000
right yes if i'm live because when

988
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,599
you're live there's this mentality and

989
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,960
this goes all the way back to you know

990
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,880
my days and radio and i hear what you're

991
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:22,720
talking about when you know you don't

992
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:24,800
have another opportunity to get it right

993
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:27,359
you are less likely to screw up you

994
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,640
don't make mistakes but no adrenaline is

995
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:32,319
driving the show

996
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,680
yeah and

997
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:36,160
and uh you are you're speaking it you go

998
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:37,680
into a zone

999
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:40,400
it live radio you go into the you tune

1000
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,040
everything else out your brain makes you

1001
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,680
do it it's like this a protected

1002
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:48,480
protection circuit that you go into

1003
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,520
where mistakes are not allowed and you

1004
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,599
you are focused now it's exhausting at

1005
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,920
the end of a live show

1006
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:57,599
right the adrenaline

1007
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,400
releases and it's done and you're

1008
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:02,640
physically spent

1009
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:05,200
with with a recording

1010
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,920
that protection mode doesn't go in so

1011
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,760
you do make mistakes you mispronounce

1012
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:11,520
words and you know you can re-record you

1013
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:13,119
know you can punch in

1014
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,480
so you go into a more relaxed mode um

1015
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,160
and the other thing is with podcasts

1016
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,640
which which i really enjoy listening to

1017
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:23,280
i listen to a lot of them um but the

1018
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:26,079
tone is different it's almost like npr

1019
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,960
right

1020
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:28,800
you know what i mean the tone is up here

1021
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:31,680
so today on the uh today on the podcast

1022
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,480
we have uh author stephen king is with

1023
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,560
us and i wouldn't say that i'd be like

1024
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,119
tonight stephen king is here jesus

1025
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,599
christ right right the trick is being

1026
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:43,359
able to capture that energy even if

1027
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,800
you're sitting in a room all by yourself

1028
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,400
but i'll tell you what i really love

1029
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,920
about being able to be live it's the

1030
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,599
shout outs it's when you can look and

1031
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:51,200
you can see the chat room i can see

1032
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,640
misfired jack in there i can see

1033
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:54,720
blockchain i can see the wonderful the

1034
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,560
capable the area deet christina gomez

1035
00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:00,800
promised a shout out too that's right

1036
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,480
she dropped a tardis reference tonight

1037
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,640
before i did so again being able to

1038
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,720
interact with a family that's always the

1039
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,640
very best thing sincerely so that's part

1040
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,319
of what i love about live radio and of

1041
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,240
course the fader knot family right here

1042
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:14,800
on f2b buddy yeah yeah thank you so much

1043
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,200
for that um uh micah now uh i i

1044
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:22,079
you just brought up christina so and i

1045
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:23,680
want to talk about the debris for a

1046
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:24,640
second

1047
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,720
um christina uh who i really enjoy going

1048
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:31,119
on on her show it's awesome

1049
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,480
but um

1050
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:34,640
she represents

1051
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:38,240
a generation that even for you as a

1052
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:41,440
youngster of of just under 40 years old

1053
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:42,720
as you say

1054
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:44,960
she's she's you know she's like two

1055
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:48,000
generations removed from you now

1056
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,000
and she represents this bright young

1057
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:55,280
dare i say fresh in my oldness

1058
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,160
um

1059
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,400
uh audience i don't even know what

1060
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,400
generation what what generation are they

1061
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,960
what do they call themselves these days

1062
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,720
oh gosh that's a good question you know

1063
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:07,040
i mean are they are they friends very

1064
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:10,560
well so are they gen z

1065
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:14,950
christine what do you guys what is what

1066
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:17,599
is the proper terminology yeah what what

1067
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:20,960
generation if you're 21 years old today

1068
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,680
what generation is that

1069
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:25,920
and uh i'll pop that up and somebody's

1070
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:29,920
gonna post it in in here and we are

1071
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:33,119
going to find out i have no idea

1072
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,720
are we so far removed that gen z is

1073
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:37,920
is

1074
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,000
oh okay gen z

1075
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:42,400
uh christina just said gen z okay so

1076
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:46,160
there you go um but how how cool is it

1077
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,599
for not only yourself um and the debrief

1078
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:51,599
as an organization

1079
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,240
to pull in these very smart and just

1080
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:58,800
clamoring for knowledge and answers uh

1081
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:00,160
generation

1082
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:03,040
oh no it really says a whole lot about

1083
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:05,599
not only this community but really i

1084
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,560
think uh you know christina's generation

1085
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,240
as well as mine and yours i mean really

1086
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:12,240
there is a generational appeal that is

1087
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:15,040
shared you know from one to the next

1088
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,640
for these kinds of topics you know

1089
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,720
emerging science uh breakthrough

1090
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,640
technologies but of course most

1091
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:22,960
significantly the enduring mystery of

1092
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,240
uap i was reading a series of articles

1093
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,720
uh from the early 2000s

1094
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,079
a historian who had actually written

1095
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:32,400
something for the um sunday times in the

1096
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,520
uk

1097
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,440
and it was around maybe 2006 and he was

1098
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,200
talking about how

1099
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:39,040
ufos must have been killed by the

1100
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,480
internet people don't believe in little

1101
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,640
green men and you know flying saucers

1102
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:44,000
and things like that anymore during the

1103
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:45,760
90s it was all the rage but now that

1104
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,680
we've got the world wide web and people

1105
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,520
have all this access to better

1106
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,599
information you know people are getting

1107
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:53,280
smarter by virtue of access to the

1108
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,800
information at their fingertips and so

1109
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:56,640
now we see less interest in flying

1110
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,599
saucers less interest in ufos obviously

1111
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,400
this is a issue of the 20th century that

1112
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,640
hasn't survived hasn't carried over into

1113
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,880
the new millennium it's funny to look

1114
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:07,920
back

1115
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,160
and see that and think wow look where we

1116
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:12,160
are right now and i don't mean to sound

1117
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,520
like an evangelist you know i've got a

1118
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:15,359
lot of questions a lot of suspicions a

1119
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:18,480
lot of concerns about uap right now but

1120
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:20,319
one thing that is clear is no this isn't

1121
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,920
an issue that was left behind with the

1122
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:23,520
turn of the century if anything i think

1123
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:26,000
that we are so much more emboldened by

1124
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,920
the information coming forward and many

1125
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:29,760
more people have questions many more

1126
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:31,200
people are interested in this sub

1127
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,160
subject

1128
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,319
and also what scientific implications it

1129
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:36,960
may entail as we move ahead ever

1130
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:39,280
steadily into that unknown that is the

1131
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:42,160
greatest unknown of all the future

1132
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,760
and the

1133
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,359
uh

1134
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:48,480
the this is the harsh reality of it you

1135
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:51,359
know we we go to these conferences

1136
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:52,319
and

1137
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:53,440
uh

1138
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:55,760
i look around at

1139
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:58,160
some of the you know the

1140
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:59,359
the

1141
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:02,000
seasoned uh presenters and speakers and

1142
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:04,559
authors uh that are out there and i feel

1143
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:07,520
like the young guy in the room i do i do

1144
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:09,680
even at the age of 58.

1145
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:11,839
um and then

1146
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,640
i look around and i see

1147
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,720
where where do you place yourself in

1148
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,640
that how do you feel do you still feel

1149
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,240
like the young guy

1150
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:22,720
at the uh do you feel like the kid at a

1151
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,559
conference

1152
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,760
you know it depends on who else is

1153
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:27,119
speaking

1154
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,720
there are some instances these days

1155
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:30,480
where i feel like the old guy i kid you

1156
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,680
not i mean you gotta remember jimmy i've

1157
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:33,680
been involved with this now for

1158
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,480
uh

1159
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:36,160
professionally you might say for 10

1160
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,240
years and by that i mean you know i was

1161
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:40,559
blogging about this and i was authoring

1162
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,240
books that dealt with the ufo topic uh a

1163
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:46,640
little more than 10 years ago actually

1164
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:49,119
but i had been involved well before that

1165
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:51,359
in what you might call a a vocationalist

1166
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:52,800
sense you know a non-professional

1167
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,280
capacity and so i mean i've got almost

1168
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:57,520
two decades of serious interest in this

1169
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,119
and then there had been

1170
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,440
again what you might call

1171
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:03,119
non-serious interest i mean layman's

1172
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,400
interest i just read books and thought

1173
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:06,400
oh this is kind of neat stuff so i mean

1174
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:08,240
with two decades behind me and having

1175
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:09,520
you know traveled around and given

1176
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:11,200
lectures and what have you

1177
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:12,559
i'm actually going to a lot of events

1178
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:15,359
where i am older than the other speakers

1179
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:16,640
older than most of the you know

1180
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,079
participants

1181
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:19,920
i actually feel like the old guy then

1182
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:22,000
again though there were many instances

1183
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,280
you know you and i would be at an event

1184
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,680
together stanton friedman would be there

1185
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:27,599
you know guys who have been in this

1186
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,160
field for decades longer than than i

1187
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:32,240
have you know like richard dolan richard

1188
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:33,680
isn't that much older than me but i mean

1189
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:36,480
he's been at this much longer and uh you

1190
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,359
know then yeah i feel like the young guy

1191
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:41,359
so it depends on the clientele you might

1192
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:42,160
say

1193
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,040
um

1194
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:45,440
but again what i i think that i try to

1195
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:47,920
always maintain a sense of

1196
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:50,240
more than anything else

1197
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,680
if i were to choose my words carefully

1198
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:53,520
would be continuity you know to try and

1199
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,119
understand

1200
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:56,640
what does it mean

1201
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:59,200
to be studying this topic you know why

1202
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,800
is this significant to so many different

1203
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:03,119
generations what do we have in common

1204
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,960
what is different about some of the

1205
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:06,240
perspectives

1206
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:08,240
you know that these different age groups

1207
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:09,119
share

1208
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,720
all those different kind of things are

1209
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:12,240
going through my mind at the event so

1210
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:13,839
most of the time i'm not really even

1211
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,160
aware of how old i am or i finished in

1212
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:18,000
that sphere i'm more concerned with you

1213
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:19,599
know what does it all mean and what role

1214
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:22,800
do i play in it now uh here

1215
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:26,480
we are in 2021 where

1216
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,359
uh we are no longer you know walking on

1217
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,520
thin ice you know tiptoeing through the

1218
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,520
ufo subject and

1219
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:35,440
and are constantly aware of our

1220
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:38,000
surroundings right it's not that kind of

1221
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:39,359
party anymore

1222
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:40,960
and uh

1223
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:43,280
these breakthroughs have happened in the

1224
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:45,440
subject and we'll be talking about that

1225
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:49,119
tonight but now you can go and launch

1226
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:51,680
something like you did with the debrief

1227
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:55,200
that is absolutely taken seriously it's

1228
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:57,280
taken seriously you don't have to

1229
00:52:01,430 --> 00:52:00,079
ask to be taken seriously

1230
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:01,440
it's a whole different it's a whole

1231
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:03,200
different world isn't it

1232
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:06,559
it is although i'll also say this uh if

1233
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:08,720
if you're taken seriously

1234
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,440
online these days you must be doing one

1235
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,359
of a few things right within your genre

1236
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,520
you must be getting attention

1237
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:17,599
you must be working hard and i'll

1238
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,800
definitely say this when it comes to

1239
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:20,160
reporting you know you've got to be

1240
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,680
really really stringent with your fact

1241
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:23,280
checking with your sources with

1242
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,400
information

1243
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,559
you know and so as far as the debrief

1244
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,240
this is a bit different from other

1245
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:30,240
endeavors i've been involved with

1246
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:32,319
and our team and the hard work that

1247
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:34,880
everybody puts into this uh

1248
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:37,440
at least so far has really i think paid

1249
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:39,440
off and uh and has shown me not only the

1250
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,520
value of teamwork but really how much

1251
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,599
hard work has to go into

1252
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,599
serious reporting on topics that have

1253
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,280
been historically

1254
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,680
left out of the equation by the media

1255
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,599
and if and when they are reported on

1256
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:53,440
more often than not it's water cooler

1257
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:54,960
right it's making fun of these kinds of

1258
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,640
topics yes we're talking about ufos or

1259
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,480
uap as the military prefers to call them

1260
00:53:02,069 --> 00:53:01,040
i still like ufos so the question there

1261
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:02,079
is you know

1262
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,559
how do you do it how do you do it right

1263
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,960
and will your work reflect that i think

1264
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,480
that the response you get is a

1265
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,400
reflection of you know

1266
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:12,000
how well you do or at least how hard

1267
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:13,280
you've tried

1268
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:15,040
uh it remains to be seen how well the

1269
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:16,480
debrief will do but i can tell you one

1270
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:17,760
thing we're definitely trying our

1271
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:20,319
hardest now

1272
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,079
as uh

1273
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:24,480
this is this is like the craziest thing

1274
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,520
ever and it's only in the ufo community

1275
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:29,280
does this happen doesn't happen in

1276
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:30,319
sports

1277
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:32,800
it doesn't happen in the flower

1278
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:35,359
arrangement industry i don't care what

1279
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,960
you're talking about

1280
00:53:40,829 --> 00:53:38,880
in the ufo world

1281
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:40,839
the more

1282
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:48,800
to that you are

1283
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,440
the more that you are identified as a

1284
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:54,000
government shill right

1285
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:54,960
and

1286
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:58,240
yeah it is absolutely

1287
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:01,599
phenomenal that this goes on and

1288
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:04,400
and now you know with the debrief and

1289
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,800
just the name the debrief says shill

1290
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:08,480
okay so that

1291
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:10,880
you guys have that going against you but

1292
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,359
you can blame me for that okay so but

1293
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:15,040
you understand where i'm going with this

1294
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,599
right uh the more that you guys push you

1295
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:19,359
guys have a lot of great information you

1296
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:21,760
guys break a lot of stories there seems

1297
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,319
to be an inside track and i respect all

1298
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:26,720
of it and and in some ways i'm a little

1299
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:28,720
jealous you know how you guys are able

1300
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:31,280
to uh to break these stories but when

1301
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:32,240
you do

1302
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,400
now all of a sudden you must be working

1303
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,480
with the man and now you have to fight

1304
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:38,559
that with with what success you have

1305
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,000
seen so far

1306
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,400
well yeah my mysterious spiritual

1307
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,400
advisor dr krasinski had pointed out to

1308
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:46,000
me last time i was on your show that

1309
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:48,079
people in the chat room

1310
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:49,760
had been saying oh micah worked for the

1311
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:51,839
cia

1312
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,520
see this kind of thing happens yeah so

1313
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:55,440
i'm so used to it anymore i mean but

1314
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,240
really it's been like that i mean since

1315
00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:00,400
as soon as i got involved i mean i

1316
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,319
remember on the above top secret thread

1317
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,079
years ago there was a thread

1318
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:06,000
all about me and and the supposition at

1319
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:07,440
that time had been

1320
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:10,079
this guy just shows up out of nowhere

1321
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:12,160
he's um automatically got like a bunch

1322
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:13,760
of books written he's like hosting more

1323
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:15,920
than one podcast

1324
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:18,160
you know who is this guy and who just

1325
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:19,760
dropped him into the middle of this

1326
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:21,040
dialogue

1327
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,559
you know and and i think that they

1328
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:24,480
summarized by calling me

1329
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:27,280
uh the used car salesman of ufology and

1330
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:28,960
i'm thinking well

1331
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:30,319
actually i guess this is a good thing

1332
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,599
because somebody took the time to write

1333
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,680
a whole thread on a website about me

1334
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:35,280
speculating about who i am and i'll tell

1335
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:36,160
you this

1336
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:37,760
uh you know

1337
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:40,400
there is no such thing as bad publicity

1338
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:43,119
right as as many you know famous rock

1339
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,000
stars and others of your have have said

1340
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:48,319
um now you know make of that what you

1341
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,760
will i thought it was more funny than

1342
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:50,880
anything i'm not really looking for

1343
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,599
publicity per se but i i raised that

1344
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:55,520
story to to you know illustrate the

1345
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:57,200
point that i mean you don't have to do

1346
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:00,240
anything in this field to be accused of

1347
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:02,720
being you know this person or that

1348
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,640
person or having these affiliations of

1349
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,240
these ties i mean i've got very good

1350
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:08,000
friends jimmy i won't lie to you i've

1351
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:09,520
got very good friends who have you know

1352
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,319
come to me and expressed concerns

1353
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:14,000
and i'm like look you know if you've

1354
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,160
ever been to my house okay i don't live

1355
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:18,480
in a big mansion you know if if the cia

1356
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,799
is paying my bills i need to raise baby

1357
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,280
like yesterday

1358
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:25,680
it's uh it's an off it's an offshore

1359
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:28,640
account come on you can't you can't

1360
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,119
you know you you've got a jaguar but

1361
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:33,119
it's in bermuda

1362
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:34,720
yeah you're vacationing

1363
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,079
yes yeah exactly exactly but i've always

1364
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:40,160
found that fascinating and then there

1365
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,119
are others i mean as soon as you

1366
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:45,359
uh get to

1367
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:46,799
shill level

1368
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:48,799
that will come to your defense and say

1369
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:50,960
well obviously you're you're flying over

1370
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:52,240
the target

1371
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:53,760
right and that's why they're taking the

1372
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:56,000
cracks and it's it's you see this

1373
00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:58,880
repeated over and over again and i see

1374
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,079
it happening to so many of course i've

1375
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,319
i've had my share of it over the years

1376
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,319
i've chosen to ignore it

1377
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:08,880
um and that's fine they're not going to

1378
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:11,920
take cracks at people that don't matter

1379
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:13,520
and that's the only way that you can

1380
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:15,280
look at it you're just like well i guess

1381
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:17,520
i matter then if they're taking cracks

1382
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:19,119
at me and that i think that's the best

1383
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,640
way to move forward

1384
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:22,880
yeah and also a couple of other things

1385
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,559
i'll add don't ever take yourself too

1386
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,400
seriously never

1387
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:28,559
you know it's very important i think to

1388
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:30,880
treat the subject seriously

1389
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:33,119
but to maintain a bit of humor you know

1390
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:34,799
i remember one time uh years ago and

1391
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:36,079
i'll always thank him for this richard

1392
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,359
dolan and i were on the phone and he had

1393
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:39,440
said you know micah i love your sense of

1394
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:41,119
humor but there are times where with the

1395
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,960
ufo topic he wasn't telling me look you

1396
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:44,240
got to play the straight guy i mean you

1397
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:47,040
know it was it was from a place of love

1398
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,960
he was he was coming he said

1399
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:50,799
i would just like to see you you know

1400
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:53,359
kind of develop a bit of a sense of

1401
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:54,799
gravitas

1402
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,280
you know um because he says i take you

1403
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,440
very seriously as a ufo researcher that

1404
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:01,839
meant a lot to me when he said that um

1405
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:03,200
on the other hand of course i was

1406
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,880
corresponding with diana pasulka the

1407
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,160
other day and she had said you know

1408
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,240
something i love about you is that you

1409
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:10,400
maintain a sense of humor about things

1410
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,839
the trick is

1411
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:13,359
finding the balance you know what i

1412
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:15,839
always try to do is not take myself too

1413
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,240
seriously but treat this subject with i

1414
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,640
mean dead seriousness and when it's when

1415
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,559
it's game time and it's time to stop

1416
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:25,040
joking you know the story is all that

1417
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,720
matters and that's when you really do

1418
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:28,240
have to be serious you know as a heart

1419
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:30,319
attack so again it's it's all about a

1420
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,920
balance there are some people i guess in

1421
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:33,359
the community maybe who take themselves

1422
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:35,920
too seriously you know they they resort

1423
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:37,920
to ad hominem or fighting

1424
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,520
or even worse what they do is they see

1425
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:41,119
somebody new on the scene

1426
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:43,359
and they say disinformation agent you

1427
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:45,200
know they put them in the bull's-eye

1428
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:46,480
it's the only way they can bring them

1429
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:47,680
down if they aren't getting the

1430
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:49,440
attention again so what i'd also say is

1431
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,520
in addition to not buying your own hype

1432
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:53,520
don't ever ascribe self-importance to

1433
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,920
you to such a level that you allow your

1434
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:57,680
ego to get ahead of the message you're

1435
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:59,280
trying to present because the story is

1436
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,880
the most important thing and this ladies

1437
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:03,359
and gents when it comes to uap or ufos

1438
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,040
call it what you want this may be the

1439
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:07,359
biggest story of our lifetimes treat it

1440
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,680
like it that yeah that's right and and

1441
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,359
here's the other part and i've got to

1442
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:13,680
take a break in 15 seconds i just find

1443
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:15,680
fascinating

1444
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,960
lou elizondo is on tucker carlson you

1445
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,799
know five nights a week

1446
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:22,559
ufo community

1447
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:25,920
loves it we're in the mass media lululu

1448
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:26,720
right

1449
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:29,839
and uh and john greenwald uh turns

1450
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:32,880
around and he's on uh tucker's new

1451
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:36,480
special right this new uap ufo special

1452
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:38,720
and and people are attacking john

1453
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:40,880
because he's on a right wing network

1454
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:43,200
it's like wait a minute

1455
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:46,720
you you can't have the argument both

1456
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:47,760
ways

1457
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:51,520
ufos are a non-partisan issue right ufos

1458
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:52,640
don't care

1459
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:55,359
about uh the network or the or the voice

1460
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:57,920
of the face and neither should this

1461
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:00,400
community and if you're okay with lou or

1462
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:03,440
chris mellon or whoever going on fox

1463
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:06,079
then there's nothing wrong with anybody

1464
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:08,240
else uh going anywhere

1465
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:11,280
whether it's cnn or msnbc or fox or

1466
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:13,040
discovery or travel it doesn't it

1467
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,119
doesn't matter and i just find that

1468
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:17,520
interesting it's like uh people just

1469
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:19,680
want to argue for the sake of arguing

1470
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,480
and fighting for the sake of fighting

1471
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,400
oh that's exactly what they do i'd say

1472
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,400
more but i think you're coming up on a

1473
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:28,079
break let's take that break right now

1474
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:30,240
our guest tonight the one and only

1475
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:32,240
micah hanks now when we come back we're

1476
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:34,240
going to jump right into

1477
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:36,079
his recent article over on the

1478
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:37,680
debriefing go to the debrief and check

1479
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,640
it out

1480
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:40,319
f-a-a

1481
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:43,599
is now reporting uaps we're going to do

1482
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:45,200
the deep dive into this it's a

1483
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:47,359
fascinating read you can go and check it

1484
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:50,079
out where the information came from

1485
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:52,079
we're going to discuss that too as well

1486
01:00:56,650 --> 01:00:53,760
this is fade to black i'm yours jimmy

1487
01:01:01,100 --> 01:00:56,660
church stay with us

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1567
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this is jimmy church of fade to black

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1586
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1587
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:47,280
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1588
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:48,880
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1589
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:51,280
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1590
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1593
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:18,630
welcome back fade to black i am your

1594
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:19,839
host jimmy churchill i guess tonight

1595
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:23,200
micah hanks i'm watching micah on uh on

1596
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:25,520
the cam in here playing air drums

1597
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:27,839
and uh

1598
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,920
you're definitely white i'm just gonna

1599
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:31,440
let you know man

1600
01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:33,680
you are out of time that that drummer

1601
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:35,359
that you're listening to that's chris

1602
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:38,160
frazier and uh and he played on that

1603
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:40,319
album and when we recorded that album at

1604
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:41,680
that time

1605
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,480
he was the drummer for steve vi and he

1606
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:46,640
played on alien love secrets and that

1607
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:48,960
was recorded during this this period

1608
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:51,760
when he was with vi but i was able to go

1609
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:54,480
and watch uh i did a bunch of live shows

1610
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:57,039
with them and i was i was mixing i was a

1611
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:00,400
live sound mixer just for them um but

1612
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,280
watching chris play now today

1613
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:05,760
he is uh playing in foreigner he was in

1614
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:08,000
white snake for a while uh replaced

1615
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:10,799
tommy aldridge and now he is with

1616
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:12,559
foreigner but uh

1617
01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:14,720
uh just an amazing drummer and i listen

1618
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:16,640
to that every time he's just he's just

1619
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:18,000
insane

1620
01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:21,920
uh to watch him play micah now um

1621
01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:24,000
going to

1622
01:07:27,910 --> 01:07:25,520
uh this

1623
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:27,920
latest article on the the debrief just

1624
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:30,079
the headline alone

1625
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:32,960
is pretty sensational it almost sounds

1626
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:34,480
like click bait

1627
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:41,680
um the faa is now uh reporting uh

1628
01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:45,280
collecting reports on uaps so let's just

1629
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:48,079
start right there um

1630
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:49,119
uh

1631
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:51,119
do you want to divulge you discuss it

1632
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:52,799
somewhat in the article

1633
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:54,319
um

1634
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:57,680
about a a manual right with instructions

1635
01:08:03,430 --> 01:07:59,520
by the faa

1636
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,440
um and it's a very thick uh uh i think

1637
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:05,520
you provide a link to it for everybody

1638
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:06,559
to go

1639
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:08,799
uh and check it out for themselves

1640
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:10,640
how did this information come across to

1641
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:12,480
your desk

1642
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:14,880
well that information will come across

1643
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:17,520
one's desk and this is my clandestine

1644
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:19,120
methodology so you might want to write

1645
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this down if you go on google and you

1646
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:24,159
type in faa ufo

1647
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:25,839
that's what comes up

1648
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:28,239
oh straight up huh

1649
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:30,159
yeah now this is not you know

1650
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:32,000
hard to find information this has

1651
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:33,279
actually been common knowledge for a

1652
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:34,560
number of years what we're talking about

1653
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:36,080
is faa

1654
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,679
order jo 7110.65

1655
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,520
and then there is a number or rather a

1656
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,359
letter thereafter z i believe is the

1657
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:45,279
current version but there have been

1658
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:47,440
several versions before that

1659
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:49,679
this has been online for years and

1660
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:51,520
essentially what it will say under i

1661
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:54,239
believe it's chapter 8 section 981

1662
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:56,159
general it reads i'll just quote from it

1663
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:57,920
persons wanting to report ufo

1664
01:09:02,070 --> 01:08:59,920
unexplained phenomena activity should

1665
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:02,080
contact a ufo unexplained phenomena

1666
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:03,759
reporting data collection center such as

1667
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,560
the national ufo reporting center etc

1668
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:08,799
that's point number one number two

1669
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:10,719
if concern is expressed that life or

1670
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:13,120
property might be in in endangered

1671
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:14,799
report the activity to the local law

1672
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,560
enforcement department

1673
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:18,719
now those have been

1674
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:21,279
essentially for years the faa's

1675
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:22,480
general

1676
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:24,239
positions okay

1677
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:25,839
for and and what this is what this

1678
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:27,359
actually is that we're referring to here

1679
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:28,960
this faa order

1680
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:31,600
is a guide for air traffic control uh

1681
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:33,040
this is a publication it's sort of a

1682
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,960
manual that they can rely on for what

1683
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:37,040
they do in certain circumstances and

1684
01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:38,719
that's what people are told to do with

1685
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:41,199
regard to ufos now in years past

1686
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,799
there was another organization that was

1687
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:44,880
listed in addition to the national ufo

1688
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:47,040
reporting center there was of course

1689
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:48,560
bigelow aerospace

1690
01:09:52,149 --> 01:09:50,799
advanced space studies and then a few

1691
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:52,159
years before that it was the national

1692
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:54,159
institute for discovery science another

1693
01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:56,320
bob bigelow organization

1694
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:58,719
uh those were also listed and again you

1695
01:10:01,590 --> 01:10:00,239
know there have been television programs

1696
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:01,600
that have talked about that mentioned

1697
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:02,880
that

1698
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:04,480
for years

1699
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:06,800
guys like john greenwald and a number of

1700
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:09,120
others have sent foias to try and see if

1701
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:10,960
there was any other kind of collecting

1702
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,640
of data about ua uap or ufos by the faa

1703
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:16,560
they still use in the most recent

1704
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:19,199
version of that publication ufo

1705
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,719
and a lot of other different agencies

1706
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:22,320
still use that as well it's not

1707
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,239
everybody has just this mass exodus

1708
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:26,560
everybody's saying uap now i still see a

1709
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,640
lot of variability in the choice in the

1710
01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:30,960
title or the wording but

1711
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,040
all that said you know that's basically

1712
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:35,440
been the standard for the faa for years

1713
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:36,800
now it doesn't mean that they don't get

1714
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:39,199
ufo reports from time to time

1715
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:41,440
but we do know in in notable instances

1716
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:42,640
and this isn't mentioned in the article

1717
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:44,400
but i mean a widely reported

1718
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:46,080
ufo incident from a number of years ago

1719
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:47,840
the chicago o'hare you know

1720
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,040
international airport incident the faa i

1721
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:53,280
mean almost before there was even time

1722
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:55,120
for an investigation they concluded this

1723
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:57,040
was just weather phenomenon they didn't

1724
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:58,560
want anything to do with it

1725
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:59,520
and so

1726
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:01,520
when this preliminary assessment by the

1727
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:03,280
uap task force

1728
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:05,280
appears back in june

1729
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:07,040
i mean i let's talk about that for a

1730
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:08,400
minute because you and i haven't really

1731
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:10,080
had a chance i don't think to talk about

1732
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:12,640
that in a live setting except for maybe

1733
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:14,880
very briefly when we were on christina's

1734
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:16,320
program

1735
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:18,400
but the the preliminary assessment i

1736
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:20,080
think disappointed a lot of the ufo

1737
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:22,640
community because they were saying well

1738
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:23,520
you know where is the word

1739
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:25,440
extraterrestrial where is even any

1740
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:28,159
mention of the possibility of something

1741
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:29,280
alien

1742
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:31,840
uh where are any specific

1743
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:34,560
uh references to what has been observed

1744
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:37,120
you know what these objects look like

1745
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:38,640
there's very little in terms of

1746
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:40,880
specifics only general statements about

1747
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:44,080
144 instances that were not able to be

1748
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:45,520
identified one

1749
01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:48,239
of 100 and presumably 45

1750
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:50,480
was identified as a balloon deflating

1751
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:52,400
but they say there's 144 objects we

1752
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:53,920
looked at that you know we don't have

1753
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:56,480
explanations for yet and we suppose that

1754
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:58,080
there are probably other and more

1755
01:12:01,990 --> 01:12:00,320
frequent sightings made by members of

1756
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:02,000
the armed services

1757
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:04,080
that would represent the broader you

1758
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:06,159
know reality of whatever these phenomena

1759
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:07,600
are but that they probably fall under a

1760
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:09,760
number of different categories ranging

1761
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:11,280
from you know everything from air

1762
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:13,840
clutter to natural phenomena that occurs

1763
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:15,199
in our atmosphere

1764
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:17,199
to the possibility of technologies of

1765
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:18,960
unknown provenance and they leave it

1766
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:21,199
fairly i think intentionally ambiguous

1767
01:12:27,189 --> 01:12:23,760
in terms of what the source might be

1768
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:27,199
but it is fairly strongly implied

1769
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:29,040
that they have looked at the possibility

1770
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:30,800
that russia or china that that kind of

1771
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:32,480
technology could account for some of

1772
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:33,679
these but that there's no direct

1773
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:35,840
evidence of that now based on that

1774
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:39,040
ambiguity and prior to the issuance of

1775
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:41,120
the uh public version of the report

1776
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:42,480
there was a classified version but it

1777
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:44,080
wasn't much longer john greenwald again

1778
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:45,440
following up found out that it was like

1779
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:48,719
what 17 pages we'd expected about 75

1780
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:50,480
the classified version

1781
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:52,400
uh which of course was delivered to

1782
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:54,080
those in government and also presumably

1783
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:55,679
which members of congress and the senate

1784
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:57,040
intelligence committee would have been

1785
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:59,440
briefed on uh they didn't get apparently

1786
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:01,280
all that much more information than we

1787
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:02,159
did

1788
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:03,520
but if you look at the nine page report

1789
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:05,199
that was you know produced for public

1790
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:07,120
consumption once you take away the

1791
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:09,120
appendixes in the back you know with the

1792
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:11,120
uh definitions and the acronyms and what

1793
01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:12,880
have you when you take away the cover

1794
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:15,199
page you whittle that down to just six

1795
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:16,159
pages

1796
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:17,600
so understandably a lot of people were

1797
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:19,280
like okay this isn't very much to work

1798
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:21,520
with this is a nothing burger uh and

1799
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:23,120
they weren't very impressed but of

1800
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:24,239
course

1801
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:25,920
uh having read the the article and of

1802
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:27,520
course tim mcmillan and i were right on

1803
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:29,120
that i mean the minute that the article

1804
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:31,040
dropped we were of course composing an

1805
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:33,520
article working ahead of time and

1806
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:35,840
getting this ready with an a preliminary

1807
01:13:39,189 --> 01:13:37,679
analysis of our own you know of their

1808
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:39,199
preliminary assessment that would go up

1809
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:40,719
live on the debrief website and then tim

1810
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:43,280
did a complete analysis uh the following

1811
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:45,360
day i did one later that week on my

1812
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:46,800
podcast and also in the debrief

1813
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:48,880
newsletter that came out that week

1814
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:51,360
um but what we basically noted at that

1815
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:52,880
time was okay

1816
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:55,679
not only have they not seemed to try and

1817
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:58,159
play down the idea that there are as

1818
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:59,760
they term it phenomena that can't be

1819
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:00,880
identified

1820
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:02,800
but there are some interesting players

1821
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:04,640
in this equation

1822
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:06,080
of course as we saw in the preliminary

1823
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:08,560
assessment the faa is mentioned several

1824
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:11,840
times and it specifically says the faa

1825
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:13,520
is passing information along to the uap

1826
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:14,880
task force again i'll just quote a

1827
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:17,360
little bit from a portion of that in the

1828
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:19,280
document the actual assessment it reads

1829
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:21,679
the faa captures data related to uap

1830
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:23,360
during the normal course of managing air

1831
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:25,760
traffic operations the faa generally

1832
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:27,520
ingests this data when pilots and other

1833
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,520
airspace users report unusual or

1834
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:31,440
unexpected events to the faa's air

1835
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:33,199
traffic organization

1836
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:35,120
it goes on to further state in addition

1837
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:36,719
to this that the faa continuously

1838
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:38,800
monitors its systems for anomalies

1839
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:40,400
generating additional information that

1840
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:43,199
may be of use to the uaptf now

1841
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:45,280
that right there of course is not saying

1842
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:47,520
they're constantly looking for ufos

1843
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:49,520
let's be clear the faa is continuously

1844
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:52,080
monitoring its systems for anomalies in

1845
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:53,920
other words anything that they come

1846
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:55,679
across that is out of the ordinary and

1847
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:57,120
that could represent a hazard for

1848
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:58,880
aviation that's not talking about you

1849
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,199
know anomalous phenomena although that

1850
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,600
might fall into that category it goes on

1851
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:05,760
to state the faa is able to isolate data

1852
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:08,159
of interest to the uaptf

1853
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:10,080
and make it available so to further that

1854
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:12,080
point again anything in the range of

1855
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:13,760
anomalies that are detected if it's

1856
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:15,280
something that might be of interest to

1857
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,320
the uaptf uap task force

1858
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:20,800
they can isolate that data and then they

1859
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:22,239
can make that available to the navy's

1860
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:24,560
task force lastly the document also says

1861
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:26,719
the faa doesn't track well i'm sorry let

1862
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:29,040
me back up the faa has a robust and

1863
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:31,120
effective outreach program that can help

1864
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:33,040
the uaptf reach members of the aviation

1865
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:35,040
community to highlight the importance of

1866
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:36,800
reporting uap now that was the part

1867
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:37,760
jimmy

1868
01:15:41,189 --> 01:15:39,280
that really kind of stuck out to me

1869
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:41,199
because i didn't know about any robust

1870
01:15:44,709 --> 01:15:43,040
and effective outreach programs but in a

1871
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:44,719
previous statement given to me back in

1872
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:46,960
march by the faa

1873
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:49,600
when i was covering the aviation safety

1874
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:52,640
reporting system which is actually a

1875
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:55,040
nasa maintained database on potential

1876
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:57,280
flight safety issues it's anonymous

1877
01:16:01,030 --> 01:15:59,120
reports that are collected by nasa on

1878
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,040
behalf of the faa

1879
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:03,600
so i was working with faa spokespeople

1880
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:05,679
asking questions about the asrs because

1881
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:08,080
the director of that program becky becky

1882
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:10,000
hui i believe is her name she works with

1883
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:11,600
nasa and she said i've got somebody at

1884
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:13,120
the faa that you should talk to about

1885
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:15,199
this so i worked through the faa

1886
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:16,640
and at that time

1887
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:18,320
they were essentially saying yeah we've

1888
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:21,199
got a robust outreach program that we

1889
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,560
work with

1890
01:16:25,750 --> 01:16:24,560
about drones

1891
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:25,760
and i was interested in the fact that

1892
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:27,520
okay that's very similar wording that

1893
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:29,040
they use are we talking about drones

1894
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:31,679
here what's up so following the

1895
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:33,760
preliminary assessment and its delivery

1896
01:16:37,030 --> 01:16:34,960
to the office of the director of

1897
01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:37,040
national intelligence you know i was

1898
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:38,800
immediately following up with the faa

1899
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:40,960
again and i was passed along to several

1900
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:42,640
different spokes people

1901
01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:44,880
it took several weeks but after a lot of

1902
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:46,480
persistence and i noticed a lot of other

1903
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:47,679
reporters who have been covering this

1904
01:16:50,229 --> 01:16:48,960
beat so to speak

1905
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:50,239
they too have tried to get statements

1906
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:52,320
from the faa it doesn't seem to be a

1907
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:54,080
mystery any longer if we take the

1908
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:56,480
preliminary assessment at its word it

1909
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:58,560
already seems evident that the faa is

1910
01:17:02,310 --> 01:17:00,480
collecting some data on uap that's not

1911
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:02,320
really surprising right they manage all

1912
01:17:06,390 --> 01:17:04,159
civil aviation in the continental united

1913
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:06,400
states and als also oversee you know you

1914
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:08,000
know in coastal waters and what have you

1915
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:08,880
but

1916
01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:10,960
um i just wanted to get them on the

1917
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,560
record because they hadn't done that yet

1918
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:14,640
and in fact a few quotes that have been

1919
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,480
provided to journalists like you know

1920
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:18,239
those writing for forbes and others who

1921
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:19,440
looked into this

1922
01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:22,159
the faa had seemingly not changed its

1923
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:24,800
stated policy even after the issuance of

1924
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:26,719
the report to the odni so i was like

1925
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:27,760
okay guys

1926
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:30,000
there's a bit of a of a breakdown here

1927
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:31,840
right can we at least all get on the

1928
01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:34,640
same page and after weeks of persistence

1929
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:36,159
they did finally get back to me and they

1930
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:39,040
did provide confirmation

1931
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:41,440
robust

1932
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:44,960
that's a that's an interesting word

1933
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:47,280
yeah it is an interesting word

1934
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:49,120
that part by the way they didn't comment

1935
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:49,920
on

1936
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:51,679
and of course the entire statement that

1937
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:53,199
they gave me is featured in the article

1938
01:17:57,350 --> 01:17:54,560
and again anybody who wants to see this

1939
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:57,360
can see this at thedebrief.org

1940
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:59,199
but the statement i was given i will

1941
01:18:02,470 --> 01:18:00,480
quote now the federal aviation

1942
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:02,480
administration documents unidentified

1943
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:04,960
aerial phenomena uap sightings whenever

1944
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:07,040
a pilot reports one to an air traffic

1945
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:09,280
control facility they further stated

1946
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:10,880
that if the pilot report can be

1947
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:12,800
corroborated with supporting information

1948
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:15,199
such as radar data it is shared with the

1949
01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:17,199
uap task force

1950
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:19,360
i asked about the robust reporting you

1951
01:18:22,550 --> 01:18:20,960
know and the outreach programs i asked

1952
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:22,560
about whether this was in conflict with

1953
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:24,159
their stated policy and a few other

1954
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:25,280
questions

1955
01:18:28,630 --> 01:18:26,480
they didn't give me any additional

1956
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:28,640
details that was the statement i got

1957
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:30,320
now i'm sure i'll be communicating with

1958
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:32,080
them again in the future one thing i

1959
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:34,080
will note is they explicitly state that

1960
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:36,159
they collect you know data on

1961
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:38,239
unidentified aerial phenomena but their

1962
01:18:40,709 --> 01:18:39,120
own

1963
01:18:42,070 --> 01:18:40,719
literature is still referring to this as

1964
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:42,080
ufos

1965
01:18:46,070 --> 01:18:44,080
i don't presume that that's where the

1966
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:46,080
confusion arises from

1967
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:48,000
but you know i mean in some instances

1968
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:50,080
specificity is indeed important when

1969
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:51,840
working with government agents

1970
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:54,480
agencies rather and uh you know if you

1971
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:56,400
if you talk to john greenwald he'll tell

1972
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:58,480
you all about that so but i doubt that

1973
01:19:02,550 --> 01:19:00,080
in this case the fact that they are

1974
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:02,560
talking about ufos on their website and

1975
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:04,480
in their official publications

1976
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:07,360
and uh that in their statement given to

1977
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:09,199
me that they say uap that there's you

1978
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:10,560
know some sort of a breakdown i think

1979
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:12,880
frankly they use that expression because

1980
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:15,440
that is in accordance with the uap task

1981
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:16,400
force

1982
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:18,000
and what they are calling these things

1983
01:19:20,830 --> 01:19:19,440
so i think they are now adopting that

1984
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:20,840
language that would be my

1985
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:23,760
interpretation um so it's interesting

1986
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:24,719
and again you know i'm sure that

1987
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:26,080
there'll be more reporting in the days

1988
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:27,360
to come i've gotten some interesting

1989
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:30,400
feedback on this article to me

1990
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:32,000
you know it's not

1991
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:35,280
necessarily uh mysterious that the faa

1992
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:36,480
is now involved

1993
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:38,480
what i suspect is going on based on the

1994
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:40,480
data i've been given jimmy is probably

1995
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:42,480
that the faa

1996
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:44,000
kicking and screaming and i gotta quote

1997
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:46,000
stephen greenstreet because uh he had

1998
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:47,600
said this on twitter the other day

1999
01:19:51,189 --> 01:19:49,199
kicking in street screaming you know

2000
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:51,199
welcome to the game faa

2001
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:53,199
i think like a lot of agents uh you know

2002
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:54,719
agencies they don't want you see i keep

2003
01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:56,480
saying agents

2004
01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:57,920
that's how people think i work for the

2005
01:20:01,669 --> 01:19:59,199
cia yeah

2006
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:01,679
yep yep yep yep you're letting it uh

2007
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:04,480
you're letting it slip i'm enjoying it

2008
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:05,280
uh

2009
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:07,199
that's my that's my tail go ahead and

2010
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,280
tell in the business continue agent

2011
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:14,870
so um you know what green street is

2012
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:16,320
joking about but actually i think that

2013
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:19,280
there's a lot of truth to that the faa

2014
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:20,800
and other agencies

2015
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,800
have not wanted to have to have

2016
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:24,320
involvement

2017
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:26,800
with the ufo subject and in fact that so

2018
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:28,480
much you know was actually said to me

2019
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:30,480
and and a quote given to me by john

2020
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,440
alexander john b alexander phd

2021
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:35,040
who i spoke with for this article and of

2022
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:36,960
course who also appeared on my podcast

2023
01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:38,639
if anybody liked to hear that uh audio

2024
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:40,400
he was on the show

2025
01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:42,480
i find john to be a fascinating

2026
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:44,080
individual and i also have a lot of

2027
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:45,520
respect for john i actually have a lot

2028
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:47,760
of respect for the faa too

2029
01:20:52,149 --> 01:20:49,600
and at one point in the conversation you

2030
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:52,159
know something that john picked out or

2031
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:54,719
or you know actually noted to me was uh

2032
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:57,120
look the faa prior to 911 had been

2033
01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:58,560
screaming about

2034
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:01,440
you know updating the safety procedures

2035
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:03,040
uh this has been an issue for them for

2036
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:05,280
years and after 9 11 they became

2037
01:21:11,669 --> 01:21:08,719
sacrificial lambs um and so you know

2038
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:11,679
again the faa i think especially after 9

2039
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:13,600
11 wanted as little to do with things

2040
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:15,199
like ufos

2041
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:17,600
and the like as as possible

2042
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:20,000
at least publicly

2043
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:23,760
primarily they wanted to focus on their

2044
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:25,440
mission of you know air traffic safety

2045
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:27,520
and maintaining strict protocols they

2046
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:28,639
didn't want to have to deal with the

2047
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:32,080
highly stigmatized subject of ufos so

2048
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:34,480
as john explained it you know he said at

2049
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:35,840
the time he'd just been reassigned to

2050
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:37,440
the pentagon and he was living in

2051
01:21:40,149 --> 01:21:38,560
virginia

2052
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:40,159
and he was living in a high-rise

2053
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:41,440
apartment he said that there was like a

2054
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:43,199
friday night kind of happy hour type

2055
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:44,560
thing and one of the people living in

2056
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:46,320
the apartment building with him was i

2057
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:48,239
think the deputy director of the faa at

2058
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:49,840
the time and they were having a cocktail

2059
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:51,199
get to talking

2060
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:53,040
and he admits you know hey you know i'm

2061
01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:54,719
interested in weird stuff and i'd like

2062
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:56,080
to talk to you and so they kind of built

2063
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:57,360
a relationship

2064
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:59,280
and it was john alexander that at the

2065
01:22:01,750 --> 01:22:00,560
time i guess he probably would have

2066
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:01,760
still been working with the national

2067
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:03,600
institute for discovery science under

2068
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:04,880
bob bigelow

2069
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:06,639
and he arranges to have bigelow colin

2070
01:22:10,149 --> 01:22:08,159
kelleher and the guys they go down and

2071
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:10,159
they meet with the faa and the faa says

2072
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:12,719
sure we'll be happy to redirect you know

2073
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:14,000
reports to you now i don't know that

2074
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:15,360
that necessarily meant that they were

2075
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:18,239
receiving ufo reports and sending them

2076
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:19,840
to bigelow what they did was on their

2077
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:21,760
website again we just referred to these

2078
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:23,199
these orders right

2079
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:25,440
earlier versions of the order which i

2080
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:27,199
linked to in the article earlier

2081
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:29,280
versions of the same order

2082
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:30,800
that now only say the national ufo

2083
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:32,159
reporting center back when they used to

2084
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:34,080
say bass that's where that came from

2085
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:36,400
john helped to arrange for you know on

2086
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:38,560
the faa's own website they would list

2087
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:40,159
the number for bigelow aerospace

2088
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:41,840
advanced space studies

2089
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:44,239
and an email and say if you seen a ufo

2090
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:46,320
call these guys because they didn't want

2091
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:48,000
anything to do with it

2092
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:49,920
now but let's

2093
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:51,040
there's

2094
01:22:56,070 --> 01:22:53,920
as i read uh your article i started to

2095
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:56,080
think about a couple of things

2096
01:23:04,830 --> 01:22:59,199
it's uh the way that uh

2097
01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:04,840
the faa is referencing also in the uaptf

2098
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:07,760
report they are

2099
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:10,800
suggesting that this is well robust but

2100
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:14,000
that this has been in place for a while

2101
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:16,960
when the uaptf is

2102
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:18,560
virtually new

2103
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:21,440
right that that was created last year

2104
01:23:25,990 --> 01:23:23,520
so that's an interesting point yeah yeah

2105
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:26,000
and and the insinuation from the word a

2106
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:27,040
robust

2107
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:29,520
you know structure for an outreach you

2108
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:30,400
know

2109
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:32,000
within the aviation community would seem

2110
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:33,280
to say that this isn't something we

2111
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:34,800
started doing two weeks ago that's

2112
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:38,800
exactly and i i i mean i'm i'm not um i

2113
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:40,239
don't want to suggest that i'm reading

2114
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:42,560
between the lines i'm saying that this

2115
01:23:47,669 --> 01:23:44,560
is what is stated

2116
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:47,679
in the uap task force report

2117
01:23:53,669 --> 01:23:51,040
and it is also referenced uh by the faa

2118
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:53,679
in their statement in your article

2119
01:23:59,910 --> 01:23:56,880
so i would assume that this reporting

2120
01:24:01,750 --> 01:23:59,920
has been in place and the logistics

2121
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:01,760
and the steps of doing this have been in

2122
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:04,000
place for a while it didn't start in

2123
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:05,840
2020.

2124
01:24:09,510 --> 01:24:08,320
yeah i would uh probably say that that

2125
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:09,520
is uh

2126
01:24:13,030 --> 01:24:11,199
close to being accurate

2127
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:13,040
i think you know the the faa has

2128
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:15,360
probably continued to receive reports

2129
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:17,360
about ufos they have continued to spot

2130
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:18,719
anomalies

2131
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:20,880
in instances where they might have been

2132
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:22,639
concerned you know there may have been

2133
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:24,560
reporting mechanisms

2134
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:25,920
some of that information for all we know

2135
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:27,600
may have actually made its way to the

2136
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:29,360
advanced aerospace threat identification

2137
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:32,000
program in years past i don't know um

2138
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:34,000
there is very little known about those

2139
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:36,000
mechanisms but you know as far as the

2140
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:38,719
faa's stated policy

2141
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:40,400
it seems that you know they have

2142
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:41,760
acknowledged that they're back in the

2143
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:44,080
game but in likelihood to some extent

2144
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:45,760
they never were really out of it they

2145
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,000
just had tried to

2146
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:50,239
remain uh or maintain as little

2147
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:52,080
involvement as possible so i don't know

2148
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:53,520
that we can say necessarily that they

2149
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:54,960
are in such a position now because

2150
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:56,800
apparently they seem to be performing an

2151
01:25:01,830 --> 01:24:59,840
active role uh in support of the uap

2152
01:25:03,910 --> 01:25:01,840
task force by virtue of the fact that

2153
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:03,920
they are actively collecting information

2154
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:05,360
and and again what they were specific

2155
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:07,199
about was it can't just be a pilot

2156
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:09,360
saying i see something over here

2157
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:11,040
if they if the pilot reports seeing

2158
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:12,960
something and they've got a radar

2159
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:14,639
track on that also

2160
01:25:19,110 --> 01:25:16,880
or a second or a second witness or a

2161
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:19,120
second report

2162
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:21,360
yeah something to support it but here's

2163
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:23,440
the deal

2164
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:27,120
the uap task force and certainly the

2165
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:28,400
pentagon

2166
01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:31,760
has always suggested that these

2167
01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:33,280
incidents that were going to be

2168
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:36,159
investigated by the uap task force and

2169
01:25:42,950 --> 01:25:39,440
the dia that these were military

2170
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:42,960
right these are military reports the faa

2171
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:46,560
is a civilian agency supporting our

2172
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:48,560
commercial airspace

2173
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:51,440
so that means some of these reports that

2174
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:54,480
were investigated by the uap task force

2175
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:57,600
were indeed not strictly military but

2176
01:26:01,350 --> 01:25:59,760
these were civilian sightings too as

2177
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:01,360
well and i think that is something that

2178
01:26:06,149 --> 01:26:03,440
really needs to be discussed what was

2179
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:06,159
the ratio how many of these reports came

2180
01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:09,840
from commercial pilots uh uh

2181
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:12,320
uh uh air towers

2182
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:14,560
right uh uh

2183
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:16,000
airports

2184
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:17,440
what uh how many of those were

2185
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:19,199
investigated and i think we need to find

2186
01:26:21,910 --> 01:26:20,480
that out

2187
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:21,920
that's a really good question you know

2188
01:26:25,510 --> 01:26:23,120
that's something that i'd love to see

2189
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:25,520
further inquiries made into now i should

2190
01:26:28,950 --> 01:26:26,800
also note that you know previous

2191
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:28,960
reporting by the war zone in fact one of

2192
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:30,880
the writers mark zuccotti author of that

2193
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:33,440
article along with mark with adam kehoe

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01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:35,600
they had reported on a new database

2195
01:26:40,229 --> 01:26:38,400
where the faa has been logging uh uas as

2196
01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:40,239
it turns it uh incidents and yeah some

2197
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:42,080
of those incidents i mean some of the

2198
01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:44,159
ones that are reported seem to be very

2199
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:46,159
evidently drones i mean like

2200
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:48,239
conventional drones

2201
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:50,159
like with the aviation safety reporting

2202
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:51,840
system which i had reported on back in

2203
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:53,679
march and of course which i'd written

2204
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:55,520
about i mean close to a decade ago in my

2205
01:26:59,189 --> 01:26:57,120
book the ghost rockets

2206
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:59,199
uh it had surprised me in fact at the

2207
01:27:02,149 --> 01:27:01,040
time i covered that in the ghost rockets

2208
01:27:03,430 --> 01:27:02,159
years ago

2209
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:03,440
and the reason that appeared in a book

2210
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:05,040
with a title like ghost rockets which

2211
01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:07,360
obviously calls back to the 1946

2212
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:10,159
sightings over scandinavia uh had been

2213
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:11,440
the fact that i mean there are a lot of

2214
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:12,960
sightings of what are described as

2215
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:15,280
objects resembling torpedoes missiles

2216
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:17,040
rockets and things like that that appear

2217
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:18,719
in the aviation safety reporting system

2218
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:19,920
database

2219
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:22,080
so that was the main focus of that

2220
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:24,400
chapter with relation to the asrs in

2221
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:25,679
that book

2222
01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:27,280
but over the years as i've continued to

2223
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:29,440
look i mean there are some far more uh

2224
01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:31,760
what you'd call i guess anomalous

2225
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:33,199
objects that are described in some of

2226
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:34,880
those incident reports but again the

2227
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:36,719
point is is that much like the faa

2228
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:38,320
database that's been reported by the war

2229
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:39,360
zone

2230
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:42,639
the asrs database maintained by nasa but

2231
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:45,520
you know again in support of the faa

2232
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:46,880
it has all kinds of reports of what are

2233
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:48,880
obviously drones but if you dig

2234
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:50,639
you also find some things even that are

2235
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:52,960
described as unmanned aerial vehicles or

2236
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:56,080
described as uavs uas you know systems

2237
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:59,120
what have you but which evidently don't

2238
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:01,520
maintain flight dynamics or capabilities

2239
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:04,400
that match any known kinds of drones

2240
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:06,400
and in fact some of them are downright

2241
01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:08,400
anomalous i mean full-blown ufo type

2242
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:09,760
reports so

2243
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:12,239
again we can't really say that the faa

2244
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:14,080
hasn't in various capacities been

2245
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:16,639
collecting ufo reports already i mean

2246
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:18,239
i've known that personally for close to

2247
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:20,960
a decade but the statement the fact that

2248
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:22,320
they've given a statement the fact that

2249
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:24,880
this has actually been acknowledged in a

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01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:26,800
report by a separate you know

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01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:29,040
governmental agency and that now they

2252
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:30,480
have acknowledged that too and said this

2253
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:32,239
is what we do and this is why we do it

2254
01:28:37,030 --> 01:28:34,239
in support of the uap task force that to

2255
01:28:38,950 --> 01:28:37,040
me is a marked shift in their own stated

2256
01:28:41,189 --> 01:28:38,960
policy whether or not it has appeared in

2257
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:41,199
print yet in their own publications well

2258
01:28:47,350 --> 01:28:43,600
and the question is right how much of

2259
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:47,360
this is going uh back to the pentagon

2260
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:49,360
and we don't know and then

2261
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:51,679
i'll say this before the break uh love

2262
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:52,880
your comment

2263
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:54,960
uh it was about a year and a half ago

2264
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:57,840
that extraordinary sighting over new

2265
01:29:01,350 --> 01:28:59,040
mexico

2266
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:01,360
and what those pilots reported that they

2267
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:04,800
had seen and and how they described this

2268
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:05,920
object

2269
01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:08,480
now we're talking about civilian pilot

2270
01:29:13,430 --> 01:29:11,040
commercial pilots and this didn't

2271
01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:13,440
involve the air force and i'm wondering

2272
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:16,159
if that was part of the uap task force

2273
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:17,120
report

2274
01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:19,040
that's a good question i don't know if

2275
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:21,280
the faa or the uap task force looked at

2276
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:22,800
that but i do know who did look at this

2277
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:25,040
one well actually no i'm sorry you

2278
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:26,800
mentioned the faa

2279
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:28,800
and and they acknowledged a report i

2280
01:29:31,669 --> 01:29:30,159
mentioned that one in this article this

2281
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:31,679
was the one over new mexico i'm thinking

2282
01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:34,800
of another one over oregon

2283
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:36,239
well no i'm thinking the one that

2284
01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:38,320
actually occurred over mexico which

2285
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:40,320
narcap ted rowe director of research at

2286
01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:42,159
narcap looked into where there was video

2287
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:44,800
of this pulsing light that was following

2288
01:29:47,669 --> 01:29:46,000
an aircraft if you haven't seen that

2289
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:47,679
video i have to send that to you i mean

2290
01:29:51,189 --> 01:29:49,760
again by you know the standards of ufo

2291
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:51,199
videos that show up on youtube a lot of

2292
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:52,480
people be like oh okay that's not all

2293
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:54,560
that great ted even told me that when he

2294
01:29:57,830 --> 01:29:56,159
sent the video to me but when i looked

2295
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:57,840
at it i'm like man

2296
01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:00,719
now in my opinion if i'm a pilot and i'm

2297
01:30:05,590 --> 01:30:02,880
flying along and i see this pulsing

2298
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:05,600
light pacing my aircraft

2299
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:06,960
and i don't know what in the world that

2300
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:08,239
thing is i mean it's obviously not an

2301
01:30:12,149 --> 01:30:09,600
aircraft i thought this video was

2302
01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:12,159
fantastic but ted and narcap did an you

2303
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:14,239
know a great breakdown of that now the

2304
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:16,000
incident that you're talking about from

2305
01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:17,760
i believe it was back in february over

2306
01:30:22,709 --> 01:30:20,239
new mexico right involving was was it an

2307
01:30:24,629 --> 01:30:22,719
american airlines aircraft right yep the

2308
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:24,639
faa did acknowledge that they had

2309
01:30:28,629 --> 01:30:26,080
received a report but they said they

2310
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:28,639
didn't see that object on radar and so

2311
01:30:32,070 --> 01:30:30,239
if they couldn't see it on their well

2312
01:30:34,149 --> 01:30:32,080
their term was their radar scopes didn't

2313
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:34,159
detect it so if they didn't have it on

2314
01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:35,760
radar then i would have to assume based

2315
01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:37,120
on what they told me that didn't go to

2316
01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:40,080
the uap task force i will tell you this

2317
01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:41,440
i looked in the aviation safety

2318
01:30:44,390 --> 01:30:42,880
reporting system to see if there was an

2319
01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:44,400
incident report filed there i haven't

2320
01:30:49,590 --> 01:30:47,280
found one yet in there in that database

2321
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:49,600
either it may be in the other database i

2322
01:30:53,990 --> 01:30:51,120
would be surprised if there isn't a

2323
01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:54,000
report about that incident somewhere and

2324
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:55,760
at the present time as far as i know it

2325
01:31:00,229 --> 01:30:58,560
remains unresolved this is fade to black

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01:31:02,870 --> 01:31:00,239
i am your host jimmy church i guess

2327
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tonight the one and only micah hanks

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01:31:06,149 --> 01:31:04,639
talking about the debrief his latest

2329
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:06,159
article over there you can check it out

2330
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at thedebrief.org

2331
01:31:13,189 --> 01:31:11,760
the faa is now reporting uaps we'll be

2332
01:31:20,690 --> 01:31:13,199
right back after this short break stay

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01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:09,270
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01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:10,880
am your host jimmy church our guest

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01:36:15,510 --> 01:36:13,360
tonight micah hanks of the debrief

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micah hanks micah hanks it's micah micah

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01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:24,560
micah

2420
01:36:29,910 --> 01:36:25,920
and uh

2421
01:36:32,229 --> 01:36:29,920
my brother there was one thing uh micah

2422
01:36:34,709 --> 01:36:32,239
there was many that stuck out in this

2423
01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:34,719
article but you uh

2424
01:36:40,629 --> 01:36:37,280
you did your due diligence

2425
01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:40,639
and you did a quote from forbes magazine

2426
01:36:46,229 --> 01:36:42,719
here and this caught my eye

2427
01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:46,239
so i'm going to read this and then um i

2428
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:48,320
want your comment because

2429
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:51,040
again this is in stark contrast to the

2430
01:36:56,709 --> 01:36:53,920
ua ptf report the statements that were

2431
01:37:00,229 --> 01:36:56,719
made there and and certainly uh their

2432
01:37:03,189 --> 01:37:00,239
own manual but this is the quote quote

2433
01:37:05,910 --> 01:37:03,199
that may be news to the faa suzanne

2434
01:37:09,189 --> 01:37:05,920
rowan kelleher reported in a forbes

2435
01:37:11,830 --> 01:37:09,199
article in june adding that she was told

2436
01:37:13,669 --> 01:37:11,840
that the quote the agency operates air

2437
01:37:16,790 --> 01:37:13,679
traffic control and navigation for both

2438
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:16,800
civil and military aircraft insist it

2439
01:37:23,109 --> 01:37:20,080
does not deal directly with uap

2440
01:37:27,030 --> 01:37:23,119
sightings from commercial pilots end

2441
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:27,040
quote then she continues the faa doesn't

2442
01:37:34,070 --> 01:37:30,000
track these reports kelleher quoted the

2443
01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:34,080
an faa spokesperson as having uh said

2444
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:37,040
who told her that quote the national ufo

2445
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:40,159
reporting center is your best source

2446
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:41,760
end quote

2447
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:43,440
yeah i wondered about there being some

2448
01:37:47,910 --> 01:37:45,520
word salad on part of the faa there and

2449
01:37:50,390 --> 01:37:47,920
by the way you know kudos to uh suzanne

2450
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:50,400
kelleher she is i think a great reporter

2451
01:37:55,510 --> 01:37:52,960
she covers traffic mostly for forbes in

2452
01:37:57,830 --> 01:37:55,520
fact she actually did a piece on pilot

2453
01:37:59,669 --> 01:37:57,840
safety in relation to uap sightings and

2454
01:38:01,750 --> 01:37:59,679
uh reached out to me

2455
01:38:03,430 --> 01:38:01,760
about that and uh and i provided a quote

2456
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:03,440
from one of her articles this one

2457
01:38:07,189 --> 01:38:04,880
interestingly

2458
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:07,199
published after the uap task force

2459
01:38:11,109 --> 01:38:08,960
report right

2460
01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:11,119
and that's the big thing it's published

2461
01:38:16,229 --> 01:38:13,520
after the report goes out there and says

2462
01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:16,239
the faa is providing information for us

2463
01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:17,920
and then they seemingly in the quote

2464
01:38:22,229 --> 01:38:20,159
that they gave her let me quote

2465
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:22,239
just the portion of the actual statement

2466
01:38:26,470 --> 01:38:24,080
from the faa spokesperson that was given

2467
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:26,480
to kelleher the faa doesn't track these

2468
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:28,159
reports the national ufo reporting

2469
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:30,320
center is your best source now when i

2470
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:33,360
say word salad what i'm wondering is

2471
01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:35,040
they say they don't track these reports

2472
01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:37,119
so what does that mean

2473
01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:38,000
right

2474
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:40,400
how does that differ from for instance

2475
01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:42,400
from what of course i was told

2476
01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:44,880
which is that the faa captures data

2477
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:47,440
related to uap okay or that actually

2478
01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:49,600
stated in the preliminary assessment by

2479
01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:51,920
the pentagon's uh or the navy's uap task

2480
01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:53,840
force so what they tell me is that the

2481
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:55,440
federal aviation administration

2482
01:38:59,590 --> 01:38:57,440
documents unidentified aerial phenomena

2483
01:39:01,590 --> 01:38:59,600
their own words given to me

2484
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:01,600
so is there a difference between docking

2485
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:04,320
and or documenting and tracking

2486
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:06,770
right what about robust

2487
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:08,800
[Laughter]

2488
01:39:12,070 --> 01:39:10,880
what about robots don't you i know what

2489
01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:12,080
i'm going to do for christmas i'm going

2490
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:13,840
to get a t-shirt made for you that just

2491
01:39:21,910 --> 01:39:17,520
says the robust jimmy church

2492
01:39:22,790 --> 01:39:21,920
i mean what what version of this uh do

2493
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:22,800
we

2494
01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:26,000
i don't believe is not the right way to

2495
01:39:27,830 --> 01:39:27,040
put it

2496
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:27,840
but

2497
01:39:32,629 --> 01:39:29,679
the two are

2498
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:32,639
the two statements contradict each other

2499
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:35,440
so either they have a robust system in

2500
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:36,400
place

2501
01:39:40,709 --> 01:39:38,639
or they don't give a crap

2502
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:40,719
it's one or the other i think you

2503
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,159
actually make a really good point though

2504
01:39:46,629 --> 01:39:44,400
and i also want to just add i don't want

2505
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:46,639
to be like perceived as throwing the faa

2506
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:48,800
under the bus because here again i have

2507
01:39:52,149 --> 01:39:50,560
respect for the agency and you know

2508
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:52,159
there's some fine people at that agency

2509
01:39:56,390 --> 01:39:55,119
who have helped me in terms of

2510
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:56,400
very kindly

2511
01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:59,199
uh fielding my very persistent questions

2512
01:40:02,470 --> 01:40:01,199
you know i hate being that guy you know

2513
01:40:04,870 --> 01:40:02,480
i don't like to be the kind of person

2514
01:40:07,030 --> 01:40:04,880
who is like every week hey just checking

2515
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:07,040
on this here are those questions again

2516
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:08,800
hey how's it going what's the status on

2517
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:10,000
this but i mean

2518
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:11,360
you know that's something that if you

2519
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:13,280
talk to john greenwald not you have to

2520
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:15,280
do it

2521
01:40:18,709 --> 01:40:16,639
micah you've got to keep your foot on

2522
01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:18,719
the gas and if you don't keep your foot

2523
01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:20,400
on the gas they're not going to answer

2524
01:40:23,990 --> 01:40:22,639
you that's right it's that simple and

2525
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:24,000
john look john knows that better than

2526
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:25,840
anybody again you know john's success

2527
01:40:29,109 --> 01:40:27,840
talk about a guy who's got tremendous

2528
01:40:31,750 --> 01:40:29,119
amounts of data

2529
01:40:33,669 --> 01:40:31,760
because he will sometimes work a case

2530
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:33,679
for years

2531
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:34,800
i remember

2532
01:40:39,189 --> 01:40:36,880
what was it a few months ago i think

2533
01:40:41,350 --> 01:40:39,199
that he had gotten like an additional

2534
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:41,360
trove of documents released to him about

2535
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:43,679
like about mk ultra that he had

2536
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:45,360
forgotten i think that he'd even asked

2537
01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:48,000
about because he had spent so many years

2538
01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:49,679
inquiring about that

2539
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:51,119
i'm lucky in the sense that it just took

2540
01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:52,400
me a few weeks

2541
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:54,480
and this is really maybe in terms of the

2542
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:56,560
magnitude of what is being presented by

2543
01:41:00,550 --> 01:40:58,719
no means as big a deal as some of the

2544
01:41:01,990 --> 01:41:00,560
ufo data that's forthcoming in recent

2545
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:02,000
days but again

2546
01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:04,320
i think it's important to chip away at

2547
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:06,239
every little element that you can and

2548
01:41:10,950 --> 01:41:08,800
try and broaden the larger scope of what

2549
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:10,960
we understand and so the big takeaway

2550
01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:11,760
here

2551
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:14,320
is of course that yeah agencies in

2552
01:41:19,109 --> 01:41:16,639
support of the uap task force appear to

2553
01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:19,119
now be getting back into the game at the

2554
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:21,760
request of the navy's task force and

2555
01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:24,400
they are providing data on like you said

2556
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:25,520
let me come back to something else you

2557
01:41:28,229 --> 01:41:26,239
said

2558
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:28,239
both military and

2559
01:41:31,750 --> 01:41:29,760
apparently by virtue of the faa's

2560
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:31,760
involvement civilian signings too now

2561
01:41:35,830 --> 01:41:33,760
why is that important like you said it

2562
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:35,840
would be helpful to know the ratio right

2563
01:41:39,910 --> 01:41:37,920
the proportion of military sightings to

2564
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:39,920
the ones that are being reported by you

2565
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:41,920
know commercial pilots right but here's

2566
01:41:44,070 --> 01:41:43,199
something else that should be said about

2567
01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:44,080
that

2568
01:41:47,910 --> 01:41:45,600
one of the chief

2569
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:47,920
arguments from many in the skeptical

2570
01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:49,199
community

2571
01:41:54,629 --> 01:41:52,159
has been and has continued to be

2572
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:54,639
well there are an awful lot of these uh

2573
01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:55,760
videos and things that are being

2574
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:58,800
obtained by the navy why only the navy

2575
01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:00,719
why only the navy well

2576
01:42:04,470 --> 01:42:02,320
as we see in the preliminary assessment

2577
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:04,480
by the uab task force the navy

2578
01:42:08,149 --> 01:42:05,760
instituted

2579
01:42:11,109 --> 01:42:08,159
its new formalized reporting mechanism

2580
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:11,119
back in spring of i think 2019 the air

2581
01:42:16,310 --> 01:42:13,119
force they were resistant but they

2582
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:16,320
finally got on board by late last year

2583
01:42:19,270 --> 01:42:17,760
and this is all outlined in the report

2584
01:42:21,030 --> 01:42:19,280
but of course with the faa and other

2585
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:21,040
agencies now

2586
01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:23,920
also so you know applying support

2587
01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:25,840
in various capacities you know and

2588
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:28,960
supplying data to the uap task force

2589
01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:30,960
what we are now seeing is yeah there's a

2590
01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:32,880
lot of collecting a lot of different

2591
01:42:37,350 --> 01:42:35,360
agencies and methods of collecting and

2592
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:37,360
obviously data coming from areas not

2593
01:42:41,189 --> 01:42:39,600
exclusive just to military so for those

2594
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:41,199
who have said well it's kind of weird

2595
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:43,679
that the only agency the only branch of

2596
01:42:46,070 --> 01:42:44,639
government you know branch of the

2597
01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:46,080
military that gets these things is the

2598
01:42:49,750 --> 01:42:48,080
navy that's not true

2599
01:42:51,350 --> 01:42:49,760
and we know that now and in fact we know

2600
01:42:52,870 --> 01:42:51,360
that this is outside of military we're

2601
01:42:54,149 --> 01:42:52,880
also getting good reports from pilots

2602
01:42:56,950 --> 01:42:54,159
and let me tell you something ladies and

2603
01:42:57,750 --> 01:42:56,960
gents news flash here's a disclosure for

2604
01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:57,760
you

2605
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:00,719
pilots okay commercial pilots have been

2606
01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:04,239
reporting sightings of uap for decades

2607
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:06,320
for decades go and look at the national

2608
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:08,080
ufo reporting center go look at

2609
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:10,320
narcat.org

2610
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:12,960
very important website narcap has been

2611
01:43:19,109 --> 01:43:15,440
tracking and analyzing and providing

2612
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:19,119
very sound logical non-sensational

2613
01:43:23,030 --> 01:43:22,000
analysis of pilot uap sightings for

2614
01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:23,040
years

2615
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:24,560
and if you read those reports and you

2616
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:27,360
don't come away floored by the reality

2617
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:29,280
of the potential

2618
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:31,440
whether or not it's it's a direct threat

2619
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:33,040
it's a it's an indirect threat i would

2620
01:43:36,070 --> 01:43:34,480
say but i mean there is a potential

2621
01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:36,080
aviation safety hazard that uap

2622
01:43:39,189 --> 01:43:37,360
represent for pilots and if you don't

2623
01:43:41,270 --> 01:43:39,199
come away from reading those reports

2624
01:43:43,030 --> 01:43:41,280
with that realization you know and

2625
01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:43,040
realize this is being one of the key

2626
01:43:46,310 --> 01:43:44,719
issues that we face with regard to

2627
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:46,320
understanding this topic i mean i can't

2628
01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:47,760
help you any further i've told you

2629
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:49,360
everything i can

2630
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:50,560
i have a

2631
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:55,440
that i grew up with

2632
01:44:03,350 --> 01:43:59,679
uh who is now a commercial pilot jet

2633
01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:03,360
commercial pilot for a major carrier

2634
01:44:08,790 --> 01:44:05,440
i've known him since we started to play

2635
01:44:09,669 --> 01:44:08,800
guitar as kids okay i've known him and

2636
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:09,679
uh

2637
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:11,040
back when he was in high school man i'm

2638
01:44:15,189 --> 01:44:13,199
gonna be a pilot i'm gonna be a pilot

2639
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:15,199
i'm like yeah right on dude okay let's

2640
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:17,920
get back to this uh you really got me by

2641
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:21,760
van halen and so um but he grew up now

2642
01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:23,520
he's a commercial pilot

2643
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:26,800
and i was flying with him in a private

2644
01:44:30,229 --> 01:44:28,880
plane just the two of us

2645
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:30,239
and uh

2646
01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:31,119
and i

2647
01:44:34,629 --> 01:44:32,719
you know we got the headsets on and

2648
01:44:37,030 --> 01:44:34,639
we're talking we're off the coast of

2649
01:44:39,430 --> 01:44:37,040
california and i said hey so man have

2650
01:44:41,109 --> 01:44:39,440
you ever seen a ufo and he goes check

2651
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:41,119
this out

2652
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:42,480
flying a jet

2653
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:44,159
right he's

2654
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:46,480
he's flying i don't want to give away

2655
01:44:50,550 --> 01:44:48,400
anything with the airliner

2656
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:50,560
he's not the one telling the story that

2657
01:44:54,629 --> 01:44:52,000
wouldn't be cool

2658
01:44:58,229 --> 01:44:54,639
but let's just say he's flying

2659
01:45:01,350 --> 01:44:58,239
north up the coast of california to

2660
01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:01,360
maybe seattle okay i'm just giving you a

2661
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:02,800
generality here

2662
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:04,320
he said

2663
01:45:09,109 --> 01:45:06,960
up at altitude

2664
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:09,119
a silver

2665
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:10,960
silver keyword

2666
01:45:14,629 --> 01:45:13,119
lit up ball

2667
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:14,639
flies

2668
01:45:20,390 --> 01:45:17,360
from left to right underneath the nose

2669
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:20,400
of his aircraft

2670
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:22,639
and him and his co-pilot see it he's the

2671
01:45:27,750 --> 01:45:24,000
captain

2672
01:45:30,470 --> 01:45:27,760
and they immediately freak out

2673
01:45:33,189 --> 01:45:30,480
call air traffic control

2674
01:45:35,669 --> 01:45:33,199
what is on the radar this thing and they

2675
01:45:38,149 --> 01:45:35,679
said it there's nothing here nothing on

2676
01:45:40,550 --> 01:45:38,159
the radar now that's what he told me

2677
01:45:42,950 --> 01:45:40,560
and and the first thing i said dude did

2678
01:45:45,189 --> 01:45:42,960
you report it no i i didn't it only

2679
01:45:48,149 --> 01:45:45,199
lasted for a couple of seconds

2680
01:45:51,669 --> 01:45:48,159
but it literally flew underneath our

2681
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:51,679
aircraft uh just just like this

2682
01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:54,800
and it was silver and it was lit up

2683
01:45:58,629 --> 01:45:57,600
there you go right and it didn't make it

2684
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:58,639
to

2685
01:46:02,629 --> 01:46:00,320
uh you know

2686
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:02,639
he he called it in they didn't see

2687
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:03,920
anything

2688
01:46:08,229 --> 01:46:06,320
now it's just a story but this kind of

2689
01:46:10,229 --> 01:46:08,239
stuff goes on all the time

2690
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:10,239
it happens more often than you'd think

2691
01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:12,400
you know i was sent a incredibly i think

2692
01:46:17,590 --> 01:46:14,320
i may have mentioned this one to you

2693
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:17,600
an incredible story about a guy who was

2694
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:19,280
a flight attendant he was the actual one

2695
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:21,600
of the witnesses he sent this to me uh

2696
01:46:25,030 --> 01:46:23,440
and one of these huge black triangles in

2697
01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:25,040
broad daylight passed under their

2698
01:46:29,990 --> 01:46:27,440
aircraft on a transatlantic flight so

2699
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:30,000
this thing was seen over the ocean

2700
01:46:33,189 --> 01:46:31,199
and

2701
01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:33,199
he went immediately to the cockpit to

2702
01:46:37,109 --> 01:46:35,280
alert the pilots and said

2703
01:46:38,629 --> 01:46:37,119
did you see that and the pilot's

2704
01:46:40,629 --> 01:46:38,639
response was something along the lines

2705
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:40,639
of that's really interesting

2706
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:42,719
let's talk about that after we land have

2707
01:46:45,669 --> 01:46:44,159
a great day

2708
01:46:47,830 --> 01:46:45,679
and so when they're on the shuttle back

2709
01:46:49,910 --> 01:46:47,840
to the hotel after they land you know

2710
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:49,920
the guy the primary reporter you know

2711
01:46:53,189 --> 01:46:52,080
who'd you know share this sighting with

2712
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:53,199
me

2713
01:46:57,350 --> 01:46:55,280
he's a little shooken up and excited and

2714
01:46:59,830 --> 01:46:57,360
he he described it as having you know

2715
01:47:01,430 --> 01:46:59,840
shifted his world view really about his

2716
01:47:03,510 --> 01:47:01,440
place in the cosmos

2717
01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:03,520
and this pilot said look let me tell you

2718
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:05,280
something

2719
01:47:10,629 --> 01:47:07,440
i was a fighter pilot

2720
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:10,639
and i saw flying saucers a whole fleet

2721
01:47:14,709 --> 01:47:11,600
of them

2722
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:14,719
while in service and there's no way

2723
01:47:18,950 --> 01:47:16,800
in all of hades that i would while that

2724
01:47:21,189 --> 01:47:18,960
cockpit voice recorder is recording no

2725
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:21,199
way i would acknowledge having seen

2726
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:22,800
anything out of the ordinary yeah we all

2727
01:47:25,669 --> 01:47:24,080
saw the thing

2728
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:25,679
fly under the aircraft today but we're

2729
01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:27,679
not going to talk about that

2730
01:47:31,350 --> 01:47:29,440
this is part of the problem that the uap

2731
01:47:33,270 --> 01:47:31,360
task force has acknowledged in their

2732
01:47:34,390 --> 01:47:33,280
report again trying to overcome this

2733
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:34,400
stigma

2734
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:35,760
pilots think that they are going to be

2735
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:37,360
ridiculed pilots think that they are

2736
01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:39,280
going to be mistreated or told that they

2737
01:47:42,709 --> 01:47:41,040
can't fly or that they have you know

2738
01:47:44,550 --> 01:47:42,719
mental problems because they've seen

2739
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:44,560
little green men

2740
01:47:52,629 --> 01:47:48,800
we have to acknowledge that

2741
01:47:55,109 --> 01:47:52,639
if these apparent phenomena as everyone

2742
01:47:56,790 --> 01:47:55,119
likes this more ambiguous term

2743
01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:56,800
if these phenomena

2744
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:59,199
are indeed a technology and we can't

2745
01:48:02,550 --> 01:48:01,199
identify the technology and let's just

2746
01:48:04,229 --> 01:48:02,560
you know go out on a limb here and look

2747
01:48:05,590 --> 01:48:04,239
at one of the possible explanations for

2748
01:48:08,390 --> 01:48:05,600
it which involves

2749
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:08,400
the idea that it may not be from here

2750
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:10,880
okay not enough evidence in my opinion

2751
01:48:15,430 --> 01:48:13,280
to support that as a conclusion yet but

2752
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:15,440
it is one hypothesis

2753
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:17,040
that we use in terms of trying to deal

2754
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:18,480
with this and you've heard me talk about

2755
01:48:22,149 --> 01:48:20,080
this at events for years i know it's

2756
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:22,159
frustrated you jimmy because sometimes

2757
01:48:25,750 --> 01:48:23,840
i'm a little too skeptical for you but

2758
01:48:28,149 --> 01:48:25,760
now here's the thing

2759
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:28,159
what we have to recognize is that if we

2760
01:48:31,990 --> 01:48:29,440
presume

2761
01:48:33,350 --> 01:48:32,000
that there is a possibility that this is

2762
01:48:35,430 --> 01:48:33,360
a technology

2763
01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:35,440
maybe not from here

2764
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:37,199
we also have to presume that at some

2765
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:39,440
point the operators

2766
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:41,360
must come into question too unless these

2767
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:44,000
are entirely autonomous drones and the

2768
01:48:48,950 --> 01:48:47,119
operators are either far far away or

2769
01:48:50,550 --> 01:48:48,960
they are long gone you know one

2770
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:50,560
interesting hypothesis that's been

2771
01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:51,760
offered has been

2772
01:48:56,870 --> 01:48:54,239
what if this is the remnant you know of

2773
01:48:58,870 --> 01:48:56,880
a alien technology the civilization that

2774
01:49:00,470 --> 01:48:58,880
created them could be long gone what if

2775
01:49:02,550 --> 01:49:00,480
these were drones that were sent out to

2776
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:02,560
monitor things on various planets

2777
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:03,840
they're just going through the motions

2778
01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:05,520
they're still operative you know they're

2779
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:06,800
still operative they're right here on

2780
01:49:10,790 --> 01:49:08,880
earth but they may not be piloted

2781
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:10,800
they could just be autonomous drones

2782
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:12,719
operating on behalf of an extent

2783
01:49:16,149 --> 01:49:14,719
civilization we don't know

2784
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:16,159
but if you go back through the

2785
01:49:19,750 --> 01:49:17,280
literature

2786
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:19,760
and not just in crazy stories again what

2787
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:21,280
many in the mainstream would still call

2788
01:49:24,310 --> 01:49:22,560
crazy and i don't mean that in the

2789
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:24,320
pejorative i'm using that to illustrate

2790
01:49:28,149 --> 01:49:26,400
the attitude that the press takes

2791
01:49:31,270 --> 01:49:28,159
you know we look at some fairly high

2792
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:31,280
profile instances like april 24th 1964

2793
01:49:35,669 --> 01:49:33,840
lonnie zamora in socorro new mexico

2794
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:35,679
here's a police officer broad daylight

2795
01:49:40,870 --> 01:49:37,920
shortly after 5 pm on duty chasing a

2796
01:49:43,750 --> 01:49:40,880
black vehicle hears a loud roar sees a

2797
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:43,760
light a flame descending from the sky

2798
01:49:47,350 --> 01:49:45,440
chases this thing up a hill gets out of

2799
01:49:48,229 --> 01:49:47,360
his vehicle and what does he see

2800
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:48,239
well

2801
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:49,920
by all intents and purposes he sees an

2802
01:49:54,070 --> 01:49:51,840
egg-shaped object dare i say we might

2803
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:54,080
call it in today's parlance a tic-tac on

2804
01:49:57,589 --> 01:49:55,360
a tripod

2805
01:49:59,830 --> 01:49:57,599
sitting there parked over this arroyo

2806
01:50:01,270 --> 01:49:59,840
and there are two little men outside of

2807
01:50:03,189 --> 01:50:01,280
it now he doesn't describe guys with

2808
01:50:04,950 --> 01:50:03,199
antennas or green skin

2809
01:50:06,629 --> 01:50:04,960
best he can tell they just look like

2810
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:06,639
people he couldn't really tell at that

2811
01:50:09,910 --> 01:50:07,920
distance but he said they look like

2812
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:09,920
people and one of them kind of starts

2813
01:50:12,629 --> 01:50:11,440
when it looks in his direction as though

2814
01:50:14,070 --> 01:50:12,639
oh gosh there's somebody over there

2815
01:50:14,950 --> 01:50:14,080
we've been spotted they jump back on

2816
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:14,960
board

2817
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:17,920
roar ensues thing takes off

2818
01:50:21,589 --> 01:50:19,920
and it makes a lot of noise and produces

2819
01:50:23,270 --> 01:50:21,599
a lot of flame for a few seconds and

2820
01:50:24,790 --> 01:50:23,280
then it gets quiet and it takes off at

2821
01:50:27,350 --> 01:50:24,800
tremendous speed

2822
01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:27,360
narrowly missing a tnt shack on the top

2823
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:28,480
of that hill

2824
01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:30,239
which would have really been uh quite

2825
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:32,159
explosive in the most literal sense but

2826
01:50:35,270 --> 01:50:34,159
again you know blue book looked at this

2827
01:50:36,629 --> 01:50:35,280
case

2828
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:36,639
and they treated it with utmost

2829
01:50:40,709 --> 01:50:37,920
seriousness because they're like okay

2830
01:50:42,310 --> 01:50:40,719
here is a reputable not only police

2831
01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:42,320
officer but you know citizen of his

2832
01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:43,360
community

2833
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:45,119
he's provided you know provided us a

2834
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:47,440
very detailed report not only of seeing

2835
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:48,960
something in the sky but seeing a

2836
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:50,800
apparently landed craft he said that

2837
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:52,639
there was some sort of a red insignia on

2838
01:50:55,750 --> 01:50:53,840
the side

2839
01:50:58,229 --> 01:50:55,760
and further he saw what he described as

2840
01:51:01,589 --> 01:50:58,239
the occupants now are we supposed to say

2841
01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:01,599
that that is a crazy ufo report just

2842
01:51:06,870 --> 01:51:04,480
because he said he saw occupants

2843
01:51:08,310 --> 01:51:06,880
you know that report remains unresolved

2844
01:51:10,229 --> 01:51:08,320
like so many others from the blue book

2845
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:10,239
era at some point we're going to have to

2846
01:51:15,910 --> 01:51:12,480
come to a point where we reconcile with

2847
01:51:18,310 --> 01:51:15,920
the idea of the occupant component as

2848
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:18,320
being a crazy notion right now even many

2849
01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:20,800
ufo proponents they don't want to touch

2850
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,719
they won't touch with a 10-foot pole any

2851
01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:24,719
kind of idea of there being some sort of

2852
01:51:28,390 --> 01:51:26,880
intelligence controlling these things

2853
01:51:29,589 --> 01:51:28,400
you know whether it be from here there

2854
01:51:30,709 --> 01:51:29,599
anywhere

2855
01:51:31,589 --> 01:51:30,719
but we're going to have to get to that

2856
01:51:33,109 --> 01:51:31,599
point too we're going to have to

2857
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:33,119
acknowledge that now i realize why

2858
01:51:35,830 --> 01:51:34,800
scientists don't they say look one step

2859
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:35,840
at a time

2860
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:37,520
let's try and just talk with us you know

2861
01:51:41,669 --> 01:51:39,840
for instance jimmy in the recent new

2862
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:41,679
showtime series

2863
01:51:44,870 --> 01:51:43,679
leslie kane is quoted at one point

2864
01:51:46,950 --> 01:51:44,880
saying you know i don't deal really with

2865
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:46,960
the abductions and things like that

2866
01:51:50,709 --> 01:51:48,800
because i'm just trying to look at the

2867
01:51:53,270 --> 01:51:50,719
phenomenon and really bring credibility

2868
01:51:54,709 --> 01:51:53,280
to that subject again entirely

2869
01:51:57,189 --> 01:51:54,719
respectable position i have to

2870
01:51:59,750 --> 01:51:57,199
sympathize with that and largely

2871
01:52:00,870 --> 01:51:59,760
i take the same approach i really do

2872
01:52:02,390 --> 01:52:00,880
well

2873
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:02,400
and in her defense

2874
01:52:07,350 --> 01:52:04,719
the way that she presents that and it's

2875
01:52:08,229 --> 01:52:07,360
a very sane and rational argument

2876
01:52:10,470 --> 01:52:08,239
uh

2877
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:10,480
from her stating that look i'm trying to

2878
01:52:14,310 --> 01:52:11,920
get people to

2879
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:14,320
pay attention to what i'm saying

2880
01:52:20,550 --> 01:52:17,760
and i wanted to stay focused on credible

2881
01:52:23,030 --> 01:52:20,560
events and and the science side of this

2882
01:52:26,550 --> 01:52:23,040
i wanted to leave the abduction part of

2883
01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:26,560
it alone because i wanted people to

2884
01:52:32,390 --> 01:52:30,400
read and and acknowledge what i was uh

2885
01:52:34,709 --> 01:52:32,400
presenting uh to the world with her

2886
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:34,719
journalism you can't argue with that

2887
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:36,960
point because as soon as you bring in

2888
01:52:42,229 --> 01:52:39,280
all of the this other stuff that is

2889
01:52:44,870 --> 01:52:42,239
actually supporting it but she wanted to

2890
01:52:47,109 --> 01:52:44,880
stay narrowly focused on on one part of

2891
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:47,119
the phenomenon but there's something

2892
01:52:54,950 --> 01:52:51,760
else i went and watched again last night

2893
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:54,960
ufos past present and future with rod

2894
01:53:00,550 --> 01:52:58,480
serling right 1974. still to this day

2895
01:53:02,550 --> 01:53:00,560
one of the great

2896
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:02,560
documentaries and

2897
01:53:05,669 --> 01:53:04,320
um in this

2898
01:53:08,390 --> 01:53:05,679
they cover

2899
01:53:10,550 --> 01:53:08,400
not only lonnie zamora but they're

2900
01:53:12,790 --> 01:53:10,560
they have uh jay allen heineck in the

2901
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:12,800
first person talking about this case and

2902
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:14,960
it's and you go back and you think about

2903
01:53:20,070 --> 01:53:17,520
this this is 1974. this is just a few

2904
01:53:22,229 --> 01:53:20,080
years after right lottie everything is

2905
01:53:24,310 --> 01:53:22,239
still fresh lonnie is still fresh he's

2906
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:24,320
alive he's they're commenting about the

2907
01:53:28,709 --> 01:53:26,719
case um very

2908
01:53:29,510 --> 01:53:28,719
very interesting part of the documentary

2909
01:53:31,669 --> 01:53:29,520
but

2910
01:53:35,109 --> 01:53:31,679
the documentary points out one thing

2911
01:53:36,310 --> 01:53:35,119
that we lose sight of

2912
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:36,320
number one

2913
01:53:38,470 --> 01:53:37,599
kitty hawk

2914
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:38,480
okay

2915
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:41,199
we're talking about 1903

2916
01:53:44,870 --> 01:53:43,440
kitty hawk before then there were no

2917
01:53:46,470 --> 01:53:44,880
aeroplanes

2918
01:53:49,270 --> 01:53:46,480
all right there was nothing for people

2919
01:53:53,189 --> 01:53:49,280
to reference and if we back up before

2920
01:53:57,109 --> 01:53:53,199
that the year is 1783.

2921
01:53:57,910 --> 01:53:57,119
why is 1783 important in in ufo

2922
01:54:03,109 --> 01:53:57,920
uh

2923
01:54:06,229 --> 01:54:03,119
1783 was the first

2924
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:06,239
piloted balloon

2925
01:54:10,229 --> 01:54:07,119
now

2926
01:54:12,629 --> 01:54:10,239
before that there was nothing there

2927
01:54:17,270 --> 01:54:12,639
wasn't anything for people to uh

2928
01:54:21,189 --> 01:54:17,280
reference in 1600 1650 1700 the 1500

2929
01:54:23,669 --> 01:54:21,199
there was nothing there in the sky

2930
01:54:25,430 --> 01:54:23,679
for them to talk about

2931
01:54:27,510 --> 01:54:25,440
unless

2932
01:54:28,550 --> 01:54:27,520
it was a ufo

2933
01:54:30,950 --> 01:54:28,560
that's it

2934
01:54:33,510 --> 01:54:30,960
so what do we do with

2935
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:33,520
history what do we do with that part of

2936
01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:36,800
it do we ignore charlemagne and his

2937
01:54:42,390 --> 01:54:39,840
comments about what he saw in the sky

2938
01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:42,400
um i think that's about as credible as

2939
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:43,440
it gets

2940
01:54:47,830 --> 01:54:44,880
and uh

2941
01:54:49,589 --> 01:54:47,840
and and and events like that the church

2942
01:54:52,950 --> 01:54:49,599
would step in and say ah

2943
01:54:55,830 --> 01:54:52,960
you know that is you saw something else

2944
01:54:57,990 --> 01:54:55,840
but uh historically speaking we have all

2945
01:55:01,910 --> 01:54:58,000
of this documented throughout history so

2946
01:55:04,870 --> 01:55:01,920
what went down in the skies before 1783.

2947
01:55:07,189 --> 01:55:04,880
we have to take this seriously and we

2948
01:55:09,669 --> 01:55:07,199
have to go back and look at this

2949
01:55:11,109 --> 01:55:09,679
yeah and you know to an extent again

2950
01:55:12,310 --> 01:55:11,119
coming back to the whole discussion

2951
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:12,320
about the occupants you know i would

2952
01:55:15,510 --> 01:55:14,320
draw distinctions between you know just

2953
01:55:18,390 --> 01:55:15,520
physical

2954
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:18,400
analysis of ufo sightings

2955
01:55:21,910 --> 01:55:19,440
and then

2956
01:55:24,629 --> 01:55:21,920
the idea of occupants and you know

2957
01:55:26,550 --> 01:55:24,639
observations maybe of landed craft

2958
01:55:27,669 --> 01:55:26,560
and then the abduction phenomena i think

2959
01:55:29,109 --> 01:55:27,679
that they're you know when you get over

2960
01:55:30,790 --> 01:55:29,119
into the abduction side of things i'm

2961
01:55:33,030 --> 01:55:30,800
not saying that that isn't a area of

2962
01:55:35,510 --> 01:55:33,040
research that is of you know merit in

2963
01:55:37,910 --> 01:55:35,520
its own right but i have dealt with that

2964
01:55:40,310 --> 01:55:37,920
far less than other areas because

2965
01:55:42,149 --> 01:55:40,320
again you know heinek with his own

2966
01:55:43,750 --> 01:55:42,159
classification system incomplete though

2967
01:55:45,669 --> 01:55:43,760
that was back when he was you know

2968
01:55:48,310 --> 01:55:45,679
operative with that and using it you

2969
01:55:49,430 --> 01:55:48,320
know he also had the ce3s

2970
01:55:50,870 --> 01:55:49,440
and what have you and then of course

2971
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:50,880
others kind of built onto that into the

2972
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:53,760
ce4 situation ce5 you know to account

2973
01:55:56,310 --> 01:55:54,639
for

2974
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:56,320
reported abductions and things like that

2975
01:56:00,149 --> 01:55:58,320
you know again i do generally primarily

2976
01:56:02,550 --> 01:56:00,159
as a historical researcher but also as a

2977
01:56:04,229 --> 01:56:02,560
reporter deal exclusively in the same

2978
01:56:06,950 --> 01:56:04,239
realm that leslie does you know i'm

2979
01:56:08,790 --> 01:56:06,960
looking at the ufo phenomenon

2980
01:56:10,950 --> 01:56:08,800
but some of those some of those

2981
01:56:13,189 --> 01:56:10,960
instances of the purported occupant

2982
01:56:14,390 --> 01:56:13,199
cases are very interesting to me now

2983
01:56:15,830 --> 01:56:14,400
something else that's interesting and

2984
01:56:17,910 --> 01:56:15,840
you mentioned that uh doc the

2985
01:56:19,669 --> 01:56:17,920
documentary you know from the 70s uh

2986
01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:19,679
ufos past present and future robert

2987
01:56:22,790 --> 01:56:21,520
emineger i believe has been the guy who

2988
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:22,800
did that right and there was also a

2989
01:56:27,270 --> 01:56:25,280
written version of that that was in book

2990
01:56:28,629 --> 01:56:27,280
form yes one of the interesting things

2991
01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:28,639
about that documentary though the

2992
01:56:31,589 --> 01:56:30,239
backstory which i'm sure you're probably

2993
01:56:34,310 --> 01:56:31,599
familiar with

2994
01:56:35,510 --> 01:56:34,320
had to do with you know uh robert

2995
01:56:37,430 --> 01:56:35,520
meeting with

2996
01:56:38,790 --> 01:56:37,440
various government officials who had

2997
01:56:39,910 --> 01:56:38,800
said look you know we've got some

2998
01:56:42,070 --> 01:56:39,920
footage

2999
01:56:43,589 --> 01:56:42,080
and this basically you know spills the

3000
01:56:45,109 --> 01:56:43,599
beans and we think we can get this

3001
01:56:46,629 --> 01:56:45,119
released for you guys i mean this is

3002
01:56:48,229 --> 01:56:46,639
like footage you know it's like showing

3003
01:56:50,390 --> 01:56:48,239
a landing with a meeting you know

3004
01:56:51,589 --> 01:56:50,400
there's a woman air force base in new

3005
01:56:52,709 --> 01:56:51,599
mexico

3006
01:56:54,070 --> 01:56:52,719
yes

3007
01:56:55,830 --> 01:56:54,080
right and they're told basically the

3008
01:56:56,950 --> 01:56:55,840
carrot is dangled and they're told we

3009
01:56:58,790 --> 01:56:56,960
think we can get this for you and then

3010
01:57:00,070 --> 01:56:58,800
at the last minute they're like well

3011
01:57:01,510 --> 01:57:00,080
we don't think we can get this for you

3012
01:57:03,109 --> 01:57:01,520
anymore but uh here's what we would

3013
01:57:04,870 --> 01:57:03,119
recommend because we can verify that

3014
01:57:06,229 --> 01:57:04,880
this footage exists we just can't get it

3015
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:06,239
for you so here's what you should do you

3016
01:57:10,229 --> 01:57:08,400
should do a recreation for your

3017
01:57:11,589 --> 01:57:10,239
documentary

3018
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:11,599
and you know robert kind of comes away

3019
01:57:15,589 --> 01:57:13,199
from it kind of going wow what just

3020
01:57:16,310 --> 01:57:15,599
happened there did they like did they

3021
01:57:17,510 --> 01:57:16,320
like

3022
01:57:19,910 --> 01:57:17,520
steer

3023
01:57:21,189 --> 01:57:19,920
me and make me produce part of my

3024
01:57:22,709 --> 01:57:21,199
documentary

3025
01:57:24,550 --> 01:57:22,719
by telling me i would have something

3026
01:57:25,830 --> 01:57:24,560
that i built the whole like narrative

3027
01:57:27,270 --> 01:57:25,840
around and then when i couldn't get it

3028
01:57:28,550 --> 01:57:27,280
that i had to like

3029
01:57:30,950 --> 01:57:28,560
create it

3030
01:57:32,070 --> 01:57:30,960
and thereby now what has my documentary

3031
01:57:33,430 --> 01:57:32,080
become so you're right it's a great

3032
01:57:34,790 --> 01:57:33,440
documentary but i mean the lingering

3033
01:57:36,870 --> 01:57:34,800
question there is

3034
01:57:38,709 --> 01:57:36,880
was there like a hidden message that was

3035
01:57:40,229 --> 01:57:38,719
like seeded by

3036
01:57:41,990 --> 01:57:40,239
someone within for instance the office

3037
01:57:44,629 --> 01:57:42,000
of special investigations at the u.s air

3038
01:57:47,750 --> 01:57:44,639
force you know had that been

3039
01:57:50,470 --> 01:57:47,760
what you might call like a soft psyop of

3040
01:57:51,669 --> 01:57:50,480
some kind with that documentary and you

3041
01:57:53,109 --> 01:57:51,679
know jerry clark and a lot of

3042
01:57:54,629 --> 01:57:53,119
researchers have written about that that

3043
01:57:56,790 --> 01:57:54,639
of course you know occurring immediately

3044
01:57:58,310 --> 01:57:56,800
prior to the mj 12 stuff just by a few

3045
01:57:59,830 --> 01:57:58,320
years

3046
01:58:01,750 --> 01:57:59,840
anybody who doesn't think that there are

3047
01:58:03,830 --> 01:58:01,760
active elements within the intelligence

3048
01:58:04,790 --> 01:58:03,840
community that have exploited ufo

3049
01:58:06,709 --> 01:58:04,800
interest

3050
01:58:07,910 --> 01:58:06,719
and presented bad information over the

3051
01:58:09,750 --> 01:58:07,920
years you and christina recently

3052
01:58:12,070 --> 01:58:09,760
reported on this on her uh youtube

3053
01:58:13,589 --> 01:58:12,080
channel uh you know the idea of mj 12

3054
01:58:14,950 --> 01:58:13,599
fact or fiction it's hard to tell and

3055
01:58:16,790 --> 01:58:14,960
that's the point

3056
01:58:18,310 --> 01:58:16,800
now largely we can't really put stock in

3057
01:58:19,750 --> 01:58:18,320
it because you know when you mix in some

3058
01:58:20,870 --> 01:58:19,760
bad information along with some good

3059
01:58:21,990 --> 01:58:20,880
that doesn't mean that all the good

3060
01:58:23,910 --> 01:58:22,000
information

3061
01:58:25,510 --> 01:58:23,920
can be taken seriously we can just

3062
01:58:26,870 --> 01:58:25,520
forget about the bad i mean it's obvious

3063
01:58:28,550 --> 01:58:26,880
that there was something going on there

3064
01:58:30,629 --> 01:58:28,560
and that casts that you know aspersion

3065
01:58:33,030 --> 01:58:30,639
over the entire situation but

3066
01:58:34,390 --> 01:58:33,040
it's it's striking to me how

3067
01:58:35,990 --> 01:58:34,400
how frequently that has occurred

3068
01:58:37,109 --> 01:58:36,000
throughout the history of this topic and

3069
01:58:38,390 --> 01:58:37,119
of course

3070
01:58:40,310 --> 01:58:38,400
uh i don't want to give away any

3071
01:58:42,390 --> 01:58:40,320
spoilers but this is sort of the tone in

3072
01:58:44,229 --> 01:58:42,400
the recent showtime series it sort of

3073
01:58:46,709 --> 01:58:44,239
goes in that direction which like you

3074
01:58:48,550 --> 01:58:46,719
described is it

3075
01:58:50,229 --> 01:58:48,560
it took a thelma and louise left turn

3076
01:58:52,310 --> 01:58:50,239
and went right off the cliff it

3077
01:58:54,470 --> 01:58:52,320
surprised me a bit we'll talk about that

3078
01:58:57,430 --> 01:58:54,480
when we come back off of the break in

3079
01:58:59,589 --> 01:58:57,440
the uh at the end of the documentary the

3080
01:59:00,470 --> 01:58:59,599
the section of the holloman air force

3081
01:59:02,229 --> 01:59:00,480
base

3082
01:59:04,550 --> 01:59:02,239
um and i've seen this documentary so

3083
01:59:05,510 --> 01:59:04,560
many times but uh james fox was just on

3084
01:59:06,470 --> 01:59:05,520
the show

3085
01:59:07,350 --> 01:59:06,480
and

3086
01:59:10,790 --> 01:59:07,360
um

3087
01:59:13,669 --> 01:59:10,800
uh eminent edgar's partner the producer

3088
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:13,679
did see the film

3089
01:59:19,189 --> 01:59:16,560
okay he saw it so that recreation at the

3090
01:59:21,430 --> 01:59:19,199
end and rod serling goes this may happen

3091
01:59:23,750 --> 01:59:21,440
in the future or it may have already

3092
01:59:25,750 --> 01:59:23,760
happened in the past right so he's you

3093
01:59:29,589 --> 01:59:25,760
know and they and then they show this

3094
01:59:31,589 --> 01:59:29,599
clip that allegedly was part of the film

3095
01:59:32,790 --> 01:59:31,599
right and it's this white object coming

3096
01:59:35,109 --> 01:59:32,800
down anyway

3097
01:59:37,430 --> 01:59:35,119
they describe the occupants the three

3098
01:59:38,470 --> 01:59:37,440
two guys come down stand next to the

3099
01:59:40,790 --> 01:59:38,480
stairs

3100
01:59:43,189 --> 01:59:40,800
and then the leader comes out and this

3101
01:59:46,390 --> 01:59:43,199
is what i found really interesting

3102
01:59:49,030 --> 01:59:46,400
they said he had a big nose

3103
01:59:51,109 --> 01:59:49,040
right so there was that part and then

3104
01:59:52,629 --> 01:59:51,119
they said this is key for me and

3105
01:59:55,510 --> 01:59:52,639
everybody needs to go and watch the

3106
01:59:56,470 --> 01:59:55,520
documentary just for this one line

3107
02:00:01,669 --> 01:59:56,480
he

3108
02:00:04,709 --> 02:00:01,679
made of rope

3109
02:00:06,870 --> 02:00:04,719
so stylish yeah right right right and so

3110
02:00:09,109 --> 02:00:06,880
they've got a drawing right the artist

3111
02:00:10,070 --> 02:00:09,119
you know the courtroom the courtroom

3112
02:00:12,629 --> 02:00:10,080
artist

3113
02:00:15,830 --> 02:00:12,639
uh drawing of uh

3114
02:00:17,990 --> 02:00:15,840
of this being with this rope

3115
02:00:19,750 --> 02:00:18,000
headdress it's pretty interesting let's

3116
02:00:21,589 --> 02:00:19,760
take our break right here this is fade

3117
02:00:24,470 --> 02:00:21,599
to black our guest tonight the one and

3118
02:00:26,310 --> 02:00:24,480
only micah hanks now he just brought up

3119
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3120
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all right i'll take the bait when we

3121
02:00:35,660 --> 02:00:31,679
come back we'll discuss jj abrams stay

3122
02:00:35,670 --> 02:00:40,229
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3205
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you want to know a secret

3206
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i love ponies i really love ponies i'm

3207
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3208
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i couldn't stay sane without pawn

3209
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3210
02:04:57,350 --> 02:04:50,880
why fade to black

3211
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this is fade to black with jimmy church

3212
02:05:06,770 --> 02:05:02,159
on the game changer radio network and

3213
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3214
02:05:20,310 --> 02:05:18,560
[Music]

3215
02:05:23,109 --> 02:05:20,320
welcome back fade to black i am your

3216
02:05:25,270 --> 02:05:23,119
host jimmy church

3217
02:05:26,189 --> 02:05:25,280
i missed it at the last break virtual

3218
02:05:31,750 --> 02:05:26,199
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nicer than micah hanks studio i'm

3224
02:05:43,189 --> 02:05:42,239
looking at his studio here i'm a little

3225
02:05:46,069 --> 02:05:43,199
jealous

3226
02:05:48,709 --> 02:05:46,079
about what's going on i need to uh

3227
02:05:49,589 --> 02:05:48,719
the roswell daily record i appreciate

3228
02:05:52,149 --> 02:05:49,599
that

3229
02:05:54,069 --> 02:05:52,159
um i like uh micah the other poster over

3230
02:05:57,430 --> 02:05:54,079
your shoulder man never walked on the

3231
02:05:58,870 --> 02:05:57,440
moon it's a conspiracy i dig that yeah

3232
02:06:01,030 --> 02:05:58,880
right yeah

3233
02:06:03,990 --> 02:06:01,040
man on the moon oh is that what that

3234
02:06:05,350 --> 02:06:04,000
says i don't have my old man glasses on

3235
02:06:09,830 --> 02:06:05,360
but uh

3236
02:06:14,629 --> 02:06:11,669
i'm just gonna come right out and say it

3237
02:06:18,390 --> 02:06:14,639
is jj abrams a shill

3238
02:06:20,229 --> 02:06:18,400
huh well okay did you did you watch all

3239
02:06:24,229 --> 02:06:20,239
four episodes

3240
02:06:25,830 --> 02:06:24,239
yes i did okay episode one pretty cool

3241
02:06:27,589 --> 02:06:25,840
yeah in fact

3242
02:06:29,510 --> 02:06:27,599
when i saw that on youtube i realized

3243
02:06:31,910 --> 02:06:29,520
i'd have to watch the whole rest of the

3244
02:06:33,350 --> 02:06:31,920
series and i had just started number

3245
02:06:35,189 --> 02:06:33,360
well no i was actually a good boy's in

3246
02:06:37,270 --> 02:06:35,199
the number two

3247
02:06:39,589 --> 02:06:37,280
because there was john alexander right

3248
02:06:41,910 --> 02:06:39,599
on camera and i was like oh there's john

3249
02:06:43,830 --> 02:06:41,920
and then my phone rings

3250
02:06:45,430 --> 02:06:43,840
and it's james church little james

3251
02:06:47,669 --> 02:06:45,440
church calling me i'm like what does

3252
02:06:48,470 --> 02:06:47,679
james church want well at least you pick

3253
02:06:50,550 --> 02:06:48,480
up

3254
02:06:53,030 --> 02:06:50,560
when i call does it say fade to black or

3255
02:06:53,990 --> 02:06:53,040
does it say schmuck what does it say on

3256
02:06:57,750 --> 02:06:54,000
your phone

3257
02:06:59,109 --> 02:06:57,760
it says little james church little

3258
02:07:02,149 --> 02:06:59,119
um

3259
02:07:04,310 --> 02:07:02,159
okay so let's let's put that aside and

3260
02:07:07,510 --> 02:07:04,320
and we did have a pretty spirited

3261
02:07:09,510 --> 02:07:07,520
conversation about spoiler alert and you

3262
02:07:13,430 --> 02:07:09,520
kept stopping me

3263
02:07:15,830 --> 02:07:13,440
and and i did my best so um anyway so

3264
02:07:18,950 --> 02:07:15,840
you watched all four episodes episode

3265
02:07:22,870 --> 02:07:18,960
two was uh pretty solid too as well

3266
02:07:26,069 --> 02:07:22,880
um as you ended episode four

3267
02:07:29,109 --> 02:07:26,079
what was your conclusion

3268
02:07:31,830 --> 02:07:30,470
did you make it all the way to the end i

3269
02:07:34,229 --> 02:07:31,840
mean i don't want to give any spoilers

3270
02:07:35,189 --> 02:07:34,239
away but i think everybody's seen it by

3271
02:07:40,390 --> 02:07:35,199
now

3272
02:07:41,910 --> 02:07:40,400
i mean i

3273
02:07:43,589 --> 02:07:41,920
so i want to respect those who haven't

3274
02:07:45,990 --> 02:07:43,599
watched it so without giving away

3275
02:07:47,830 --> 02:07:46,000
anything let me just say this much

3276
02:07:49,750 --> 02:07:47,840
i had hoped that before the end of the

3277
02:07:51,990 --> 02:07:49,760
series some

3278
02:07:53,830 --> 02:07:52,000
however brief mention of the preliminary

3279
02:07:55,830 --> 02:07:53,840
assessment by the uap task force would

3280
02:07:58,069 --> 02:07:55,840
be mentioned

3281
02:08:00,390 --> 02:07:58,079
there was at least something said

3282
02:08:02,629 --> 02:08:00,400
so there was acknowledgement of that

3283
02:08:04,390 --> 02:08:02,639
had that not appeared i would have been

3284
02:08:05,430 --> 02:08:04,400
wondering about the whole tone of the

3285
02:08:06,709 --> 02:08:05,440
series

3286
02:08:07,910 --> 02:08:06,719
right because

3287
02:08:09,830 --> 02:08:07,920
a lot of people looked at the

3288
02:08:12,149 --> 02:08:09,840
preliminary report i mean i was you know

3289
02:08:13,990 --> 02:08:12,159
monitoring the chat and the chatter on

3290
02:08:15,430 --> 02:08:14,000
social media before we went on the air

3291
02:08:17,430 --> 02:08:15,440
tonight jimmy

3292
02:08:19,510 --> 02:08:17,440
you know and people you know a lot of

3293
02:08:21,510 --> 02:08:19,520
people's questions

3294
02:08:23,990 --> 02:08:21,520
right now are kind of predicated upon

3295
02:08:26,149 --> 02:08:24,000
the observation that will now that the

3296
02:08:29,030 --> 02:08:26,159
government has essentially acknowledged

3297
02:08:30,390 --> 02:08:29,040
that these objects exist

3298
02:08:31,669 --> 02:08:30,400
i mean i'm sure you've seen this a lot

3299
02:08:34,229 --> 02:08:31,679
in recent days

3300
02:08:35,830 --> 02:08:34,239
and i mean that's not an incorrect

3301
02:08:38,149 --> 02:08:35,840
observation because i mean what has the

3302
02:08:39,910 --> 02:08:38,159
government done it has released three

3303
02:08:42,550 --> 02:08:39,920
authorized versions you know we went on

3304
02:08:44,149 --> 02:08:42,560
c2c with you john greenwald and i uh

3305
02:08:45,510 --> 02:08:44,159
when they released those authorized

3306
02:08:47,830 --> 02:08:45,520
versions

3307
02:08:49,990 --> 02:08:47,840
uh the mainstream didn't pay very very

3308
02:08:51,510 --> 02:08:50,000
much attention to that because it's old

3309
02:08:53,030 --> 02:08:51,520
news by that time but i mean we're all

3310
02:08:55,990 --> 02:08:53,040
looking at this kind of going okay this

3311
02:08:57,109 --> 02:08:56,000
is maybe the most significant story

3312
02:08:58,470 --> 02:08:57,119
of the new millennium i mean the

3313
02:09:00,069 --> 02:08:58,480
government has just said okay we've got

3314
02:09:03,189 --> 02:09:00,079
three videos of things that we can't

3315
02:09:05,030 --> 02:09:03,199
identify we class these unidentified

3316
02:09:06,629 --> 02:09:05,040
that was a pretty big deal right but

3317
02:09:08,310 --> 02:09:06,639
then with this preliminary assessment

3318
02:09:11,510 --> 02:09:08,320
now they have kind of added to that okay

3319
02:09:13,030 --> 02:09:11,520
and there are 144 instances most of

3320
02:09:15,030 --> 02:09:13,040
which collected in the last two years

3321
02:09:16,390 --> 02:09:15,040
but going all the way back to 2004 with

3322
02:09:17,750 --> 02:09:16,400
obvious reference to the nimitz

3323
02:09:19,430 --> 02:09:17,760
situation

3324
02:09:22,069 --> 02:09:19,440
we've got other things

3325
02:09:24,310 --> 02:09:22,079
that our pilots apparently civilian and

3326
02:09:27,350 --> 02:09:24,320
military have been observing and that we

3327
02:09:29,270 --> 02:09:27,360
can't identify these things so

3328
02:09:31,750 --> 02:09:29,280
yeah a lot of people having read the

3329
02:09:34,390 --> 02:09:31,760
report not incorrectly are like okay the

3330
02:09:36,629 --> 02:09:34,400
government has admitted there are

3331
02:09:37,750 --> 02:09:36,639
objects or technologies

3332
02:09:40,470 --> 02:09:37,760
maybe

3333
02:09:42,550 --> 02:09:40,480
in our skies that can't be identified

3334
02:09:43,990 --> 02:09:42,560
presently and that seems to be why we

3335
02:09:45,750 --> 02:09:44,000
are now seeing again another report we

3336
02:09:48,149 --> 02:09:45,760
did over the debrief the other day i was

3337
02:09:50,870 --> 02:09:48,159
lead author on this one also uh having

3338
02:09:52,550 --> 02:09:50,880
to do with the recent uh intelligence

3339
02:09:55,430 --> 02:09:52,560
authorization act

3340
02:09:56,790 --> 02:09:55,440
for fiscal year 2022. almost nobody in

3341
02:09:58,629 --> 02:09:56,800
the media has covered this you know

3342
02:10:00,149 --> 02:09:58,639
blogger danny silva has talked about

3343
02:10:01,510 --> 02:10:00,159
this a few other people have touched on

3344
02:10:03,510 --> 02:10:01,520
it as well

3345
02:10:05,030 --> 02:10:03,520
but the debrief wrote to my knowledge

3346
02:10:07,030 --> 02:10:05,040
one of the only really extensive

3347
02:10:09,189 --> 02:10:07,040
articles looking at this where i broke

3348
02:10:10,069 --> 02:10:09,199
everything down we're talking about the

3349
02:10:12,950 --> 02:10:10,079
fact

3350
02:10:15,589 --> 02:10:12,960
that with the if this bill passes

3351
02:10:17,990 --> 02:10:15,599
as it has been unanimously voted on by

3352
02:10:19,750 --> 02:10:18,000
the senate intelligence committee the

3353
02:10:20,870 --> 02:10:19,760
senate select committee on intelligence

3354
02:10:23,030 --> 02:10:20,880
rather

3355
02:10:24,709 --> 02:10:23,040
this will essentially broaden the access

3356
02:10:26,830 --> 02:10:24,719
that the uap task force has to

3357
02:10:29,910 --> 02:10:26,840
information from the intelligence

3358
02:10:32,709 --> 02:10:29,920
community it has essentially authorized

3359
02:10:34,950 --> 02:10:32,719
the continuation of these periodic you

3360
02:10:37,669 --> 02:10:34,960
know quarterly reports from the uap task

3361
02:10:40,069 --> 02:10:37,679
force and significantly any information

3362
02:10:41,750 --> 02:10:40,079
on uap incidents not published in

3363
02:10:44,470 --> 02:10:41,760
previous reports

3364
02:10:47,030 --> 02:10:44,480
from earlier reporting periods are to be

3365
02:10:48,870 --> 02:10:47,040
published in the next available report

3366
02:10:50,149 --> 02:10:48,880
or a future report

3367
02:10:51,990 --> 02:10:50,159
now some people have looked at that

3368
02:10:53,990 --> 02:10:52,000
wording and asked well does this go all

3369
02:10:56,069 --> 02:10:54,000
the way back to roswell are we going to

3370
02:10:57,750 --> 02:10:56,079
be getting historical data on ufos i

3371
02:10:59,189 --> 02:10:57,760
doubt that that's what they are probably

3372
02:11:01,109 --> 02:10:59,199
planning on doing i think that they're

3373
02:11:04,069 --> 02:11:01,119
still working within the modern context

3374
02:11:05,669 --> 02:11:04,079
the contemporary efforts by the navy air

3375
02:11:07,830 --> 02:11:05,679
force and other agencies to collect this

3376
02:11:09,270 --> 02:11:07,840
data but it's pretty evident

3377
02:11:11,270 --> 02:11:09,280
that there is enough concern about

3378
02:11:13,270 --> 02:11:11,280
trying to identify what the source of

3379
02:11:15,510 --> 02:11:13,280
this phenomena is that they are

3380
02:11:17,350 --> 02:11:15,520
broadening and supporting further the

3381
02:11:20,229 --> 02:11:17,360
efforts and the continuation of the uap

3382
02:11:22,069 --> 02:11:20,239
task force again greenwald was tweeting

3383
02:11:23,990 --> 02:11:22,079
about this earlier today nasa apparently

3384
02:11:26,629 --> 02:11:24,000
being briefed about this tomorrow right

3385
02:11:29,669 --> 02:11:26,639
yep that is correct uh john greenwald

3386
02:11:32,390 --> 02:11:29,679
called me today and and did say john if

3387
02:11:34,709 --> 02:11:32,400
you're listening um i'm just full

3388
02:11:36,550 --> 02:11:34,719
disclosure i'm gonna uh repeat what you

3389
02:11:38,629 --> 02:11:36,560
told me today that he did get

3390
02:11:41,669 --> 02:11:38,639
confirmation from the pentagon today

3391
02:11:43,910 --> 02:11:41,679
that yes this uh briefing

3392
02:11:47,430 --> 02:11:43,920
is happening tomorrow with the head of

3393
02:11:49,270 --> 02:11:47,440
nasa uh about uaps okay so

3394
02:11:52,149 --> 02:11:49,280
more to follow up on that and i'm sure

3395
02:11:54,069 --> 02:11:52,159
john is on the case but micah that was

3396
02:11:58,390 --> 02:11:54,079
not my question

3397
02:11:59,750 --> 02:11:58,400
my question was is jj abrams a shill

3398
02:12:01,270 --> 02:11:59,760
oh yeah well you know me i've got to

3399
02:12:03,830 --> 02:12:01,280
give you a whole historical background

3400
02:12:06,149 --> 02:12:03,840
so yeah coming back around to jacob i

3401
02:12:08,790 --> 02:12:06,159
mean that was great that was 10 minutes

3402
02:12:12,470 --> 02:12:08,800
spent on that and that that was cool

3403
02:12:14,709 --> 02:12:12,480
but is jj abrams a shill and the reason

3404
02:12:17,270 --> 02:12:14,719
he's a shill but again back to the point

3405
02:12:18,790 --> 02:12:17,280
again i left watching

3406
02:12:19,750 --> 02:12:18,800
well actually your other question to me

3407
02:12:21,270 --> 02:12:19,760
had been

3408
02:12:22,709 --> 02:12:21,280
what did you think after episode four

3409
02:12:24,149 --> 02:12:22,719
now that was the one i was answering so

3410
02:12:26,390 --> 02:12:24,159
again i was hopeful because he

3411
02:12:28,709 --> 02:12:26,400
acknowledges everything i just gave you

3412
02:12:31,350 --> 02:12:28,719
this wonderful background on yes it was

3413
02:12:35,430 --> 02:12:31,360
awesome it was awesome but but

3414
02:12:36,750 --> 02:12:35,440
why would jj abrams after episode 1 and

3415
02:12:41,350 --> 02:12:36,760
episode 2

3416
02:12:42,149 --> 02:12:41,360
presenting e.t like he did ufos like he

3417
02:12:45,750 --> 02:12:42,159
did

3418
02:12:47,669 --> 02:12:45,760
o'hare phoenix lights and and so forth

3419
02:12:49,189 --> 02:12:47,679
uh well done

3420
02:12:51,990 --> 02:12:49,199
comprehensive

3421
02:12:54,310 --> 02:12:52,000
uh great background from diana pasulka

3422
02:12:56,870 --> 02:12:54,320
great background from john greenwald

3423
02:13:00,390 --> 02:12:56,880
leslie kane and and others

3424
02:13:01,510 --> 02:13:00,400
and then turn around in episode three

3425
02:13:14,069 --> 02:13:01,520
and

3426
02:13:16,390 --> 02:13:14,079
george knapp feels about being presented

3427
02:13:17,430 --> 02:13:16,400
in this light that all of the ufo

3428
02:13:20,229 --> 02:13:17,440
subject

3429
02:13:21,990 --> 02:13:20,239
is a psyop by the united states

3430
02:13:23,430 --> 02:13:22,000
government and it's a cover-up for their

3431
02:13:25,030 --> 02:13:23,440
technology

3432
02:13:26,790 --> 02:13:25,040
that's the point you get the impression

3433
02:13:28,709 --> 02:13:26,800
first of all that george knapp was

3434
02:13:30,950 --> 02:13:28,719
supporting that contention you know

3435
02:13:32,390 --> 02:13:30,960
obviously george that hasn't been the

3436
02:13:33,910 --> 02:13:32,400
narrative that george has tried to

3437
02:13:35,669 --> 02:13:33,920
present they featured him in that

3438
02:13:37,669 --> 02:13:35,679
episode but i don't think he seemed to

3439
02:13:39,750 --> 02:13:37,679
be speaking to that point necessarily

3440
02:13:42,550 --> 02:13:39,760
although it can become

3441
02:13:44,310 --> 02:13:42,560
convoluted when a person is interviewed

3442
02:13:45,910 --> 02:13:44,320
about a subject broadly speaking and

3443
02:13:47,750 --> 02:13:45,920
then they have a sound biteable quote

3444
02:13:49,910 --> 02:13:47,760
that they throw into the middle of a con

3445
02:13:51,669 --> 02:13:49,920
you know maybe out of context in the

3446
02:13:54,470 --> 02:13:51,679
sense of what george had been talking

3447
02:13:55,430 --> 02:13:54,480
about exactly exactly what you got to

3448
02:13:57,589 --> 02:13:55,440
remember when you're watching a

3449
02:13:58,470 --> 02:13:57,599
documentary like that and i know you do

3450
02:14:00,310 --> 02:13:58,480
this

3451
02:14:03,030 --> 02:14:00,320
but i know by the way you got it you

3452
02:14:05,109 --> 02:14:03,040
gotta listen to each individual quote

3453
02:14:06,870 --> 02:14:05,119
and measure the weight of the words of

3454
02:14:08,709 --> 02:14:06,880
each individual person and their quote

3455
02:14:11,589 --> 02:14:08,719
by themselves as though you had no

3456
02:14:14,149 --> 02:14:11,599
context exactly my point though micah

3457
02:14:16,069 --> 02:14:14,159
exactly my point we know george's

3458
02:14:18,229 --> 02:14:16,079
position on this

3459
02:14:21,510 --> 02:14:18,239
we know george's background

3460
02:14:23,430 --> 02:14:21,520
um he has been uh supporting the ufo

3461
02:14:26,709 --> 02:14:23,440
community for decades

3462
02:14:28,229 --> 02:14:26,719
uh broadus virtually brought us area 51

3463
02:14:32,470 --> 02:14:28,239
and bob lazar

3464
02:14:34,790 --> 02:14:32,480
and and other uh extraordinary uh ufo

3465
02:14:36,870 --> 02:14:34,800
cases and and events

3466
02:14:38,790 --> 02:14:36,880
over the years yeah of course we know

3467
02:14:40,950 --> 02:14:38,800
george's position on this

3468
02:14:43,510 --> 02:14:40,960
but uh i

3469
02:14:45,990 --> 02:14:43,520
i'm wondering how george feels now about

3470
02:14:49,109 --> 02:14:46,000
the way that he was presented

3471
02:14:51,510 --> 02:14:49,119
in episode three that's my point

3472
02:14:53,189 --> 02:14:51,520
sure although to the point of why they

3473
02:14:54,629 --> 02:14:53,199
would go in that direction on episode

3474
02:14:55,990 --> 02:14:54,639
three and again without giving away too

3475
02:14:57,270 --> 02:14:56,000
much we can at least tell you and you

3476
02:14:59,030 --> 02:14:57,280
can already tell from the way that we

3477
02:14:59,910 --> 02:14:59,040
are framing the discussion here folks at

3478
02:15:01,669 --> 02:14:59,920
home

3479
02:15:04,470 --> 02:15:01,679
that they essentially look at the idea

3480
02:15:06,709 --> 02:15:04,480
of are ufos

3481
02:15:09,990 --> 02:15:06,719
uh something that government can

3482
02:15:11,990 --> 02:15:10,000
use to their advantage and they can

3483
02:15:13,910 --> 02:15:12,000
steer the narrative for purposes of

3484
02:15:15,430 --> 02:15:13,920
covering up other things they are doing

3485
02:15:16,870 --> 02:15:15,440
now i think the problem with that

3486
02:15:18,310 --> 02:15:16,880
perspective

3487
02:15:20,870 --> 02:15:18,320
is that a lot of people are very

3488
02:15:24,149 --> 02:15:20,880
absolutist in the way that they approach

3489
02:15:26,709 --> 02:15:24,159
it they go well if the government

3490
02:15:28,870 --> 02:15:26,719
could use ufos as a mechanism for

3491
02:15:30,790 --> 02:15:28,880
steering a certain narrative as a smoke

3492
02:15:32,550 --> 02:15:30,800
screen to cover what they're actually up

3493
02:15:34,470 --> 02:15:32,560
to

3494
02:15:36,550 --> 02:15:34,480
then they must have created ufos and

3495
02:15:38,550 --> 02:15:36,560
it's all completely bunk

3496
02:15:40,149 --> 02:15:38,560
well that is not necessarily true you

3497
02:15:42,550 --> 02:15:40,159
know humans tend to be very binary in

3498
02:15:45,990 --> 02:15:42,560
their thinking is the thing yes could it

3499
02:15:47,830 --> 02:15:46,000
not be that ufos actually maybe do exist

3500
02:15:49,510 --> 02:15:47,840
and the government's like huh look at

3501
02:15:51,030 --> 02:15:49,520
this there are these novel instances

3502
02:15:53,430 --> 02:15:51,040
with these strange phenomena that we

3503
02:15:55,350 --> 02:15:53,440
cannot explain interesting

3504
02:15:57,350 --> 02:15:55,360
now what do we do with it boys get to

3505
02:15:59,510 --> 02:15:57,360
work how do we use this to our advantage

3506
02:16:01,350 --> 02:15:59,520
i mean it doesn't have to be only one or

3507
02:16:03,030 --> 02:16:01,360
the other it could also be somewhere in

3508
02:16:04,390 --> 02:16:03,040
the middle which i think is absolutely

3509
02:16:05,830 --> 02:16:04,400
true now again coming back to the

3510
02:16:08,069 --> 02:16:05,840
documentary that you've been watching

3511
02:16:10,310 --> 02:16:08,079
again from the 1970s

3512
02:16:12,229 --> 02:16:10,320
jerry clark you know eminem himself and

3513
02:16:13,990 --> 02:16:12,239
others have essentially said you know we

3514
02:16:16,470 --> 02:16:14,000
felt like maybe

3515
02:16:18,950 --> 02:16:16,480
that was an element of control where we

3516
02:16:20,790 --> 02:16:18,960
were sort of being coercively without

3517
02:16:22,470 --> 02:16:20,800
our knowledge initially steered toward

3518
02:16:24,709 --> 02:16:22,480
producing a documentary that would have

3519
02:16:26,310 --> 02:16:24,719
a certain kind of presentation

3520
02:16:27,589 --> 02:16:26,320
and then the old angling carrot was

3521
02:16:29,350 --> 02:16:27,599
yanked away

3522
02:16:31,109 --> 02:16:29,360
thereafter and we were left having to

3523
02:16:32,389 --> 02:16:31,119
kind of say okay yeah okay well we made

3524
02:16:33,429 --> 02:16:32,399
this documentary based around the

3525
02:16:35,830 --> 02:16:33,439
assumption we were going to get some

3526
02:16:37,270 --> 02:16:35,840
footage we didn't get and now what story

3527
02:16:39,349 --> 02:16:37,280
are we presenting you know what kind of

3528
02:16:41,910 --> 02:16:39,359
narrative have we given

3529
02:16:44,709 --> 02:16:41,920
so one might fairly ask

3530
02:16:46,469 --> 02:16:44,719
not only is j.j abrams a show in the way

3531
02:16:48,389 --> 02:16:46,479
that he presents the information in the

3532
02:16:50,070 --> 02:16:48,399
documentary but one might ask i mean

3533
02:16:51,669 --> 02:16:50,080
what was the influence in terms of why

3534
02:16:54,790 --> 02:16:51,679
the documentary went that direction you

3535
02:16:57,589 --> 02:16:54,800
see what i'm saying yes

3536
02:16:59,429 --> 02:16:57,599
right right right right and so

3537
02:17:01,830 --> 02:16:59,439
um and this is where i'm just going to

3538
02:17:04,950 --> 02:17:01,840
speak very frankly

3539
02:17:06,709 --> 02:17:04,960
if you are going to present

3540
02:17:07,990 --> 02:17:06,719
uh

3541
02:17:14,629 --> 02:17:08,000
this

3542
02:17:17,830 --> 02:17:14,639
cover-up uh in pop culture for uh

3543
02:17:19,429 --> 02:17:17,840
clandestine black projects by the

3544
02:17:22,150 --> 02:17:19,439
military

3545
02:17:23,669 --> 02:17:22,160
then why not also if you're gonna do it

3546
02:17:26,629 --> 02:17:23,679
that way present it the way that you

3547
02:17:30,790 --> 02:17:26,639
just said which is you do both ufos are

3548
02:17:32,870 --> 02:17:30,800
real but ufos e.t is used to cover up

3549
02:17:34,950 --> 02:17:32,880
government projects but that's not what

3550
02:17:38,150 --> 02:17:34,960
jj abrams did

3551
02:17:40,629 --> 02:17:38,160
and then he went further uh in in

3552
02:17:43,429 --> 02:17:40,639
episode four and again i'm going to

3553
02:17:45,750 --> 02:17:43,439
speak very frankly painting the picture

3554
02:17:48,309 --> 02:17:45,760
of people that talk about abductions as

3555
02:17:51,190 --> 02:17:48,319
being crazy and bringing in these

3556
02:17:54,629 --> 02:17:51,200
historians right from penn state to talk

3557
02:17:56,469 --> 02:17:54,639
about folklore and mythology and how

3558
02:17:58,150 --> 02:17:56,479
this is just uh you know part of

3559
02:17:59,750 --> 02:17:58,160
people's imaginations or it's a

3560
02:18:03,349 --> 02:17:59,760
psychosis

3561
02:18:06,309 --> 02:18:03,359
again uh j.j abrams shoots down the

3562
02:18:08,950 --> 02:18:06,319
abduction phenomena wholly

3563
02:18:11,509 --> 02:18:08,960
not not in part and he doesn't

3564
02:18:14,230 --> 02:18:11,519
uh he doesn't present uh both sides of

3565
02:18:15,910 --> 02:18:14,240
the case he only presents one

3566
02:18:17,509 --> 02:18:15,920
and and that's what he did in episode

3567
02:18:18,389 --> 02:18:17,519
three and that's what he did in episode

3568
02:18:19,349 --> 02:18:18,399
four

3569
02:18:20,309 --> 02:18:19,359
well

3570
02:18:22,549 --> 02:18:20,319
you know what for a different

3571
02:18:24,389 --> 02:18:22,559
perspective now

3572
02:18:26,549 --> 02:18:24,399
there's an awful lot of discussion again

3573
02:18:27,910 --> 02:18:26,559
without giving away too much

3574
02:18:29,589 --> 02:18:27,920
all right

3575
02:18:31,589 --> 02:18:29,599
less people think either that we are

3576
02:18:33,669 --> 02:18:31,599
going to go into the spoiler alert zone

3577
02:18:35,349 --> 02:18:33,679
or that we ourselves are shills for jj

3578
02:18:37,429 --> 02:18:35,359
abrams but let's point out first of all

3579
02:18:38,870 --> 02:18:37,439
i'm lost by a bad robot you know jj's

3580
02:18:40,629 --> 02:18:38,880
name's all over it but he wasn't the

3581
02:18:42,790 --> 02:18:40,639
main driving force

3582
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:42,800
but if we are to associate this series

3583
02:18:46,629 --> 02:18:45,280
with other productions that jj has had

3584
02:18:48,950 --> 02:18:46,639
his name on in the past like for

3585
02:18:50,389 --> 02:18:48,960
instance the cloverfield films

3586
02:18:52,549 --> 02:18:50,399
if you remember with that first film

3587
02:18:54,309 --> 02:18:52,559
cloverfield right you remember the viral

3588
02:18:56,709 --> 02:18:54,319
marketing campaign leading up to that

3589
02:18:57,830 --> 02:18:56,719
all the nonsense all the slusho websites

3590
02:18:59,990 --> 02:18:57,840
and things

3591
02:19:01,990 --> 02:19:00,000
all the hints being dropped none of it

3592
02:19:04,389 --> 02:19:02,000
tying together in the end none of it

3593
02:19:06,469 --> 02:19:04,399
making sense very much like lost

3594
02:19:07,910 --> 02:19:06,479
you know all these unresolved situations

3595
02:19:10,629 --> 02:19:07,920
and issues

3596
02:19:12,309 --> 02:19:10,639
jj has sort of built a career

3597
02:19:13,190 --> 02:19:12,319
off of taking people in one direction

3598
02:19:15,030 --> 02:19:13,200
and then

3599
02:19:17,110 --> 02:19:15,040
here we go off in a different direction

3600
02:19:18,389 --> 02:19:17,120
didn't see that coming did you he loves

3601
02:19:19,910 --> 02:19:18,399
to do that

3602
02:19:21,429 --> 02:19:19,920
that's his favorite thing to do so of

3603
02:19:23,429 --> 02:19:21,439
course first of all that's what he's

3604
02:19:25,190 --> 02:19:23,439
going to do with a ufo documentary let's

3605
02:19:27,589 --> 02:19:25,200
make everybody think we're going one way

3606
02:19:29,349 --> 02:19:27,599
and then bam surprise

3607
02:19:31,110 --> 02:19:29,359
but the trick of course is that if you

3608
02:19:32,790 --> 02:19:31,120
know his work you're not surprised at

3609
02:19:34,309 --> 02:19:32,800
all because that's what you expect jj's

3610
02:19:36,389 --> 02:19:34,319
going to do or any kind of production

3611
02:19:39,750 --> 02:19:36,399
with his name and bad robot on it right

3612
02:19:41,270 --> 02:19:39,760
so so i wasn't all that surprised too

3613
02:19:42,870 --> 02:19:41,280
without giving away too much about the

3614
02:19:44,790 --> 02:19:42,880
fourth episode there's an awful lot of

3615
02:19:47,110 --> 02:19:44,800
time spent talking about john mack and

3616
02:19:49,510 --> 02:19:47,120
that's not surprising right but again

3617
02:19:51,429 --> 02:19:49,520
one would argue that as far as the

3618
02:19:52,630 --> 02:19:51,439
discussion about the abduction phenomena

3619
02:19:54,230 --> 02:19:52,640
goes

3620
02:19:56,150 --> 02:19:54,240
there's probably nobody that you could

3621
02:19:57,510 --> 02:19:56,160
bring up who would have been more

3622
02:19:58,630 --> 02:19:57,520
reputable

3623
02:20:00,710 --> 02:19:58,640
and who would have brought more

3624
02:20:03,270 --> 02:20:00,720
credibility to that subject than harvard

3625
02:20:04,710 --> 02:20:03,280
psychologist john mack who of course was

3626
02:20:07,349 --> 02:20:04,720
investigated

3627
02:20:09,590 --> 02:20:07,359
by harvard about you know his competency

3628
02:20:11,349 --> 02:20:09,600
and his motives and whatnot with regard

3629
02:20:12,790 --> 02:20:11,359
to his obs you know

3630
02:20:15,190 --> 02:20:12,800
some might call it research others might

3631
02:20:16,710 --> 02:20:15,200
call it his obsession with abduction i

3632
02:20:18,710 --> 02:20:16,720
think it was research i think that he

3633
02:20:20,870 --> 02:20:18,720
was generally genuinely compelled to

3634
02:20:22,389 --> 02:20:20,880
think that there was a phenomena there

3635
02:20:23,670 --> 02:20:22,399
and that investigation was there after

3636
02:20:26,070 --> 02:20:23,680
dropped because again they didn't

3637
02:20:27,590 --> 02:20:26,080
necessarily find evidence of anything

3638
02:20:29,110 --> 02:20:27,600
strange about what he was doing apart

3639
02:20:32,150 --> 02:20:29,120
from the subject matter itself but i

3640
02:20:33,990 --> 02:20:32,160
mean you know in that sense

3641
02:20:36,230 --> 02:20:34,000
the amount of time that spent looking at

3642
02:20:37,670 --> 02:20:36,240
john mack

3643
02:20:39,590 --> 02:20:37,680
is actually

3644
02:20:41,349 --> 02:20:39,600
in a way the best way that they could

3645
02:20:42,790 --> 02:20:41,359
have approached the abduction subject

3646
02:20:45,510 --> 02:20:42,800
the great problem of course is the

3647
02:20:47,830 --> 02:20:45,520
tragedy of the loss of john mack you

3648
02:20:50,389 --> 02:20:47,840
know killed by a drunk driver in london

3649
02:20:51,590 --> 02:20:50,399
uh just what was it like was it 2004

3650
02:20:53,830 --> 02:20:51,600
yeah

3651
02:20:56,389 --> 02:20:53,840
same year the nimitz thing right so

3652
02:20:57,750 --> 02:20:56,399
now greg higgin of course the penn state

3653
02:20:58,950 --> 02:20:57,760
historian that you talk about you know i

3654
02:21:00,469 --> 02:20:58,960
find some of his perspectives

3655
02:21:02,630 --> 02:21:00,479
interesting but again he seems to be a

3656
02:21:04,469 --> 02:21:02,640
guy who is very much of the mind that

3657
02:21:06,790 --> 02:21:04,479
you know an academic historian doesn't

3658
02:21:08,389 --> 02:21:06,800
look at the actual phenomena we look at

3659
02:21:10,830 --> 02:21:08,399
the cultural

3660
02:21:13,190 --> 02:21:10,840
motives you know driving interest in the

3661
02:21:15,270 --> 02:21:13,200
phenomena and it definitely seems to

3662
02:21:16,469 --> 02:21:15,280
come across as though he is of a mind

3663
02:21:19,030 --> 02:21:16,479
that well

3664
02:21:21,910 --> 02:21:19,040
we can say that basically some aspects

3665
02:21:23,429 --> 02:21:21,920
of this phenomena are entirely induced

3666
02:21:25,590 --> 02:21:23,439
by culture

3667
02:21:27,830 --> 02:21:25,600
they are artifacts of our interest in

3668
02:21:29,910 --> 02:21:27,840
science fiction and things like this

3669
02:21:31,910 --> 02:21:29,920
and what have you one issue i'll take

3670
02:21:33,270 --> 02:21:31,920
with uh you know ed giggian's

3671
02:21:35,510 --> 02:21:33,280
perspectives you know he'd mentioned

3672
02:21:37,830 --> 02:21:35,520
that no academic historians have looked

3673
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:37,840
at the ufo subject since like the 1970s

3674
02:21:41,030 --> 02:21:39,439
and no one from his tribe had done that

3675
02:21:43,910 --> 02:21:41,040
i'm thinking well you know you should

3676
02:21:45,750 --> 02:21:43,920
look more closely at the ufo literature

3677
02:21:47,110 --> 02:21:45,760
uh because there are a lot of historians

3678
02:21:48,790 --> 02:21:47,120
and historical groups that have

3679
02:21:50,309 --> 02:21:48,800
addressed this topic

3680
02:21:53,190 --> 02:21:50,319
uh you know for instance of course we

3681
02:21:55,190 --> 02:21:53,200
have to mention uh richard dolan's ufos

3682
02:21:56,550 --> 02:21:55,200
in the national historic national uh

3683
02:21:59,030 --> 02:21:56,560
security state

3684
02:22:01,110 --> 02:21:59,040
uh the the problem i guess there is that

3685
02:22:03,190 --> 02:22:01,120
then you look at another historical

3686
02:22:05,349 --> 02:22:03,200
uh overview of ufos like michael swords

3687
02:22:06,469 --> 02:22:05,359
and robert powell's ufos and government

3688
02:22:08,870 --> 02:22:06,479
okay

3689
02:22:10,630 --> 02:22:08,880
and uh and in the introduction to that

3690
02:22:12,150 --> 02:22:10,640
book written by jerome clark you know

3691
02:22:14,230 --> 02:22:12,160
he's mentioning a number of other books

3692
02:22:16,309 --> 02:22:14,240
but dolan's book isn't mentioned

3693
02:22:18,150 --> 02:22:16,319
uh but you know then in other history

3694
02:22:20,150 --> 02:22:18,160
books on ufos the books that are

3695
02:22:22,389 --> 02:22:20,160
mentioned in that one aren't mentioned

3696
02:22:24,389 --> 02:22:22,399
and so what i recognize is a phenomenon

3697
02:22:26,389 --> 02:22:24,399
and this extends to a gigan and his

3698
02:22:27,990 --> 02:22:26,399
position you know that he raised on the

3699
02:22:29,429 --> 02:22:28,000
show about how nobody no serious

3700
02:22:30,870 --> 02:22:29,439
historians have looked at this and you

3701
02:22:32,469 --> 02:22:30,880
know since the 70s

3702
02:22:34,070 --> 02:22:32,479
well no it seems more to be the case

3703
02:22:35,349 --> 02:22:34,080
that a lot of serious historians have

3704
02:22:36,790 --> 02:22:35,359
looked at this but they don't seem to

3705
02:22:38,230 --> 02:22:36,800
acknowledge each other's work because

3706
02:22:39,990 --> 02:22:38,240
one group will say well this guy's in

3707
02:22:41,830 --> 02:22:40,000
that camp another one will say well this

3708
02:22:44,550 --> 02:22:41,840
guy isn't an academic another one will

3709
02:22:47,190 --> 02:22:44,560
say this one's not part of my tribe

3710
02:22:48,870 --> 02:22:47,200
when when a gigan said my tribe hasn't

3711
02:22:51,270 --> 02:22:48,880
looked at this i mean that said it all

3712
02:22:53,349 --> 02:22:51,280
humans in addition to be being binary

3713
02:22:55,110 --> 02:22:53,359
thinkers they are tribalistic

3714
02:22:57,750 --> 02:22:55,120
they're always trying to find the ones

3715
02:22:59,349 --> 02:22:57,760
that think like they do they're not open

3716
02:23:00,870 --> 02:22:59,359
to getting perspectives from people who

3717
02:23:02,950 --> 02:23:00,880
don't think like they do and that's what

3718
02:23:04,469 --> 02:23:02,960
we need especially when we're looking at

3719
02:23:05,670 --> 02:23:04,479
the history of this subject yes there's

3720
02:23:07,670 --> 02:23:05,680
been plenty of historians that have

3721
02:23:09,590 --> 02:23:07,680
looked at this subject just because you

3722
02:23:11,429 --> 02:23:09,600
don't deem them part of your tribe does

3723
02:23:13,510 --> 02:23:11,439
not necessarily mean that the way that

3724
02:23:15,990 --> 02:23:13,520
they have analyzed the subject and its

3725
02:23:17,910 --> 02:23:16,000
historicity is not important or

3726
02:23:19,990 --> 02:23:17,920
significant or valid for that matter

3727
02:23:23,110 --> 02:23:20,000
yeah it's their own form of cognitive

3728
02:23:25,590 --> 02:23:23,120
dissonance where they just want to like

3729
02:23:27,670 --> 02:23:25,600
you said hang in their own circles

3730
02:23:29,750 --> 02:23:27,680
and anything outside of that that is

3731
02:23:33,110 --> 02:23:29,760
going to possibly

3732
02:23:34,950 --> 02:23:33,120
change their perspective is not worthy

3733
02:23:37,030 --> 02:23:34,960
and they if they don't want to go there

3734
02:23:40,790 --> 02:23:37,040
they just want to stay in their own

3735
02:23:42,150 --> 02:23:40,800
little safe zone in that bubble

3736
02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:42,160
that's absolutely true but again you

3737
02:23:46,870 --> 02:23:44,640
know people always do this

3738
02:23:48,150 --> 02:23:46,880
people tend to gravitate toward those

3739
02:23:50,550 --> 02:23:48,160
who

3740
02:23:52,630 --> 02:23:50,560
express opinions or beliefs or wear

3741
02:23:54,230 --> 02:23:52,640
clothes or you know logos you know

3742
02:23:56,230 --> 02:23:54,240
brands and things

3743
02:23:57,110 --> 02:23:56,240
that they feel like they can be a part

3744
02:23:59,510 --> 02:23:57,120
of

3745
02:24:01,830 --> 02:23:59,520
and with ufos i mean it's difficult to

3746
02:24:04,389 --> 02:24:01,840
be a real true free thinker you know

3747
02:24:05,349 --> 02:24:04,399
when you start going to events

3748
02:24:06,630 --> 02:24:05,359
and

3749
02:24:08,389 --> 02:24:06,640
you know the people with the tinfoil

3750
02:24:09,830 --> 02:24:08,399
hats are coming up and saying

3751
02:24:11,270 --> 02:24:09,840
i love your work and let me tell you

3752
02:24:12,630 --> 02:24:11,280
about my experience and it's the

3753
02:24:15,349 --> 02:24:12,640
craziest thing you've ever heard you

3754
02:24:17,670 --> 02:24:15,359
don't want to be like okay i don't

3755
02:24:19,030 --> 02:24:17,680
believe you i think you're a hoaxer

3756
02:24:20,710 --> 02:24:19,040
which in truth i don't think those

3757
02:24:21,670 --> 02:24:20,720
people are hoaxers

3758
02:24:23,590 --> 02:24:21,680
you know

3759
02:24:25,590 --> 02:24:23,600
here again binary thinking that ufos

3760
02:24:26,950 --> 02:24:25,600
either do exist or they don't and if

3761
02:24:28,150 --> 02:24:26,960
they don't then all these people who

3762
02:24:30,230 --> 02:24:28,160
claim they've seen these things are

3763
02:24:32,790 --> 02:24:30,240
liars that's not true at all that's a

3764
02:24:34,630 --> 02:24:32,800
silly silly proposition yes a lot of

3765
02:24:36,710 --> 02:24:34,640
people can be mistaken

3766
02:24:39,349 --> 02:24:36,720
a lot of people can suffer from mental

3767
02:24:41,510 --> 02:24:39,359
health issues a lot of people can you

3768
02:24:43,510 --> 02:24:41,520
know have experiences

3769
02:24:44,870 --> 02:24:43,520
that are based on misperceptions none of

3770
02:24:46,150 --> 02:24:44,880
those things and the reason i raise

3771
02:24:48,630 --> 02:24:46,160
those points is not to say that that's

3772
02:24:50,309 --> 02:24:48,640
what all ufo you know observations are i

3773
02:24:52,070 --> 02:24:50,319
think quite the contrary a lot of valid

3774
02:24:53,990 --> 02:24:52,080
observations are made

3775
02:24:55,990 --> 02:24:54,000
but there are a lot of instances where

3776
02:24:58,150 --> 02:24:56,000
people can be mistaken but they are not

3777
02:24:59,910 --> 02:24:58,160
lying at all about what they perceived

3778
02:25:02,550 --> 02:24:59,920
as being real

3779
02:25:04,950 --> 02:25:02,560
and so for the for the super hardened

3780
02:25:06,790 --> 02:25:04,960
debunker skeptic who again very binary

3781
02:25:09,429 --> 02:25:06,800
kind of thinking either you are telling

3782
02:25:11,030 --> 02:25:09,439
the truth or you are not guys there's

3783
02:25:13,750 --> 02:25:11,040
always some gray area in the middle

3784
02:25:15,270 --> 02:25:13,760
those ghrelian areas in the alien debate

3785
02:25:16,550 --> 02:25:15,280
they still exist

3786
02:25:18,150 --> 02:25:16,560
they come out from time to time but

3787
02:25:19,990 --> 02:25:18,160
again you know to say that these people

3788
02:25:20,790 --> 02:25:20,000
are liars that's nonsense and yet i have

3789
02:25:23,590 --> 02:25:20,800
seen

3790
02:25:25,030 --> 02:25:23,600
skeptics and debunkers say things

3791
02:25:26,710 --> 02:25:25,040
to that effect you know all these people

3792
02:25:28,790 --> 02:25:26,720
are just liars

3793
02:25:30,469 --> 02:25:28,800
again this has been a fallback from the

3794
02:25:31,670 --> 02:25:30,479
professional skeptic community for

3795
02:25:34,790 --> 02:25:31,680
decades

3796
02:25:36,550 --> 02:25:34,800
there must be money motivating

3797
02:25:38,309 --> 02:25:36,560
the interest in this

3798
02:25:40,230 --> 02:25:38,319
phenomena and if you look at somebody

3799
02:25:42,070 --> 02:25:40,240
who is a commentator on it or an alleged

3800
02:25:44,309 --> 02:25:42,080
experiencer if you dig you don't have to

3801
02:25:46,230 --> 02:25:44,319
dig very deep you'll always find some

3802
02:25:48,230 --> 02:25:46,240
evidence of them trying to profit from

3803
02:25:50,469 --> 02:25:48,240
it that's not always true in fact in

3804
02:25:53,110 --> 02:25:50,479
many cases people have put themselves at

3805
02:25:55,750 --> 02:25:53,120
great potential for

3806
02:25:57,190 --> 02:25:55,760
ridicule by publicly expressing their

3807
02:25:58,710 --> 02:25:57,200
experiences

3808
02:26:00,070 --> 02:25:58,720
they haven't benefited from it

3809
02:26:02,070 --> 02:26:00,080
financially

3810
02:26:04,150 --> 02:26:02,080
and if to any extent that they have that

3811
02:26:06,230 --> 02:26:04,160
might be greatly outweighed by the

3812
02:26:07,670 --> 02:26:06,240
amount of ridicule and and torment

3813
02:26:09,349 --> 02:26:07,680
they've gone through as a person in the

3814
02:26:11,030 --> 02:26:09,359
public sphere

3815
02:26:12,710 --> 02:26:11,040
making an extraordinary claim they're

3816
02:26:14,150 --> 02:26:12,720
made fun of you know they're attacked by

3817
02:26:15,590 --> 02:26:14,160
skeptics

3818
02:26:17,590 --> 02:26:15,600
you know you look at guys like travis

3819
02:26:19,510 --> 02:26:17,600
walton and people like that

3820
02:26:22,070 --> 02:26:19,520
i mean they'll tell you i wouldn't wish

3821
02:26:23,750 --> 02:26:22,080
this on anybody that's right so so again

3822
02:26:25,590 --> 02:26:23,760
you know i mean the whole idea the whole

3823
02:26:28,309 --> 02:26:25,600
notion that there must be either lies or

3824
02:26:29,750 --> 02:26:28,319
that there must be a motivation in money

3825
02:26:31,910 --> 02:26:29,760
you know that has been a tremendous

3826
02:26:34,710 --> 02:26:31,920
problem that to me has encumbered ufo

3827
02:26:36,870 --> 02:26:34,720
research in many ways just like a lot of

3828
02:26:38,550 --> 02:26:36,880
the seemingly wacky ideas but to

3829
02:26:41,190 --> 02:26:38,560
summarize again in the new series on

3830
02:26:42,469 --> 02:26:41,200
showtime you know yeah you do see some

3831
02:26:44,150 --> 02:26:42,479
fairly sharp

3832
02:26:46,150 --> 02:26:44,160
skeptical attitudes that emerge in

3833
02:26:48,469 --> 02:26:46,160
episodes three and four but maybe in a

3834
02:26:50,389 --> 02:26:48,479
way that is seen as balancing

3835
02:26:53,030 --> 02:26:50,399
the first two episodes the problem is

3836
02:26:54,950 --> 02:26:53,040
since that comes later in the series

3837
02:26:57,190 --> 02:26:54,960
it does give the impression of well this

3838
02:26:58,710 --> 02:26:57,200
is what our conclusion is temporarily it

3839
02:27:00,070 --> 02:26:58,720
arrives later in the series you see what

3840
02:27:02,070 --> 02:27:00,080
i mean that's right they could have done

3841
02:27:04,230 --> 02:27:02,080
it the opposite could have put three and

3842
02:27:06,870 --> 02:27:04,240
four first

3843
02:27:09,190 --> 02:27:06,880
and then closed with one and two and now

3844
02:27:11,349 --> 02:27:09,200
you've got a completely different series

3845
02:27:13,590 --> 02:27:11,359
well one three two four would be the way

3846
02:27:16,469 --> 02:27:13,600
out yeah one three two four something

3847
02:27:18,070 --> 02:27:16,479
short sure well it's and see and back to

3848
02:27:19,429 --> 02:27:18,080
your point

3849
02:27:23,910 --> 02:27:19,439
um

3850
02:27:26,230 --> 02:27:23,920
i had an extraordinary daylight sighting

3851
02:27:28,870 --> 02:27:26,240
with a group of people um uh steve

3852
02:27:30,550 --> 02:27:28,880
marillo was there what's that yes and

3853
02:27:32,950 --> 02:27:30,560
and so that that

3854
02:27:37,110 --> 02:27:32,960
that entire event in the middle of the

3855
02:27:39,590 --> 02:27:37,120
day extraordinary was 15 seconds long

3856
02:27:42,309 --> 02:27:39,600
what if my back was turned

3857
02:27:43,990 --> 02:27:42,319
yeah it doesn't happen right

3858
02:27:45,590 --> 02:27:44,000
it's the famous thing right if the tree

3859
02:27:48,950 --> 02:27:45,600
falls in the woods and nobody's there

3860
02:27:51,349 --> 02:27:48,960
does it make a sound so if my back is

3861
02:27:53,110 --> 02:27:51,359
turned that event doesn't happen

3862
02:27:53,910 --> 02:27:53,120
i don't see it

3863
02:27:54,790 --> 02:27:53,920
right

3864
02:27:57,990 --> 02:27:54,800
but that

3865
02:28:00,230 --> 02:27:58,000
i i happen to be at the right place at

3866
02:28:03,830 --> 02:28:00,240
the right time to be

3867
02:28:06,389 --> 02:28:03,840
uh a witness to this 15-second event

3868
02:28:08,870 --> 02:28:06,399
it happened micah there were plenty of

3869
02:28:09,830 --> 02:28:08,880
people there that all saw it

3870
02:28:12,630 --> 02:28:09,840
um

3871
02:28:14,550 --> 02:28:12,640
we're not liars we're not hoaxers it

3872
02:28:15,910 --> 02:28:14,560
appeared in the sky

3873
02:28:18,150 --> 02:28:15,920
and that's it

3874
02:28:20,309 --> 02:28:18,160
you know there's nothing there's nothing

3875
02:28:24,469 --> 02:28:20,319
more or less to the story

3876
02:28:26,870 --> 02:28:24,479
than that but what if my back was turned

3877
02:28:29,190 --> 02:28:26,880
what if i wasn't sitting at that moment

3878
02:28:32,230 --> 02:28:29,200
looking in in those binoculars

3879
02:28:34,870 --> 02:28:32,240
uh to to see it i would have nev it's

3880
02:28:37,270 --> 02:28:34,880
not a part of my my history

3881
02:28:39,349 --> 02:28:37,280
right and and that goes back to my point

3882
02:28:42,710 --> 02:28:39,359
our sighting in the middle of the day

3883
02:28:45,750 --> 02:28:42,720
right there is just as valid as anything

3884
02:28:49,110 --> 02:28:45,760
else and i would pose that to j.j abrams

3885
02:28:51,030 --> 02:28:49,120
or to discount what we saw you're not

3886
02:28:52,870 --> 02:28:51,040
going to change my mind you're not going

3887
02:28:55,349 --> 02:28:52,880
to change my memory you're not going to

3888
02:28:57,910 --> 02:28:55,359
change the witnesses there we all saw

3889
02:29:00,150 --> 02:28:57,920
what we saw and that's why we are here

3890
02:29:01,670 --> 02:29:00,160
we're trying to figure out what is going

3891
02:29:03,910 --> 02:29:01,680
on

3892
02:29:06,389 --> 02:29:03,920
yeah absolutely you know it seemed that

3893
02:29:08,389 --> 02:29:06,399
especially in episode three uh the

3894
02:29:09,910 --> 02:29:08,399
appearance by james carrion and again

3895
02:29:11,510 --> 02:29:09,920
he's an interesting guy i've read a lot

3896
02:29:13,270 --> 02:29:11,520
of his writing over the years uh you

3897
02:29:14,950 --> 02:29:13,280
know bought one of his books

3898
02:29:17,429 --> 02:29:14,960
uh you know i found his perspectives

3899
02:29:18,630 --> 02:29:17,439
interesting so you know so this is not a

3900
02:29:20,150 --> 02:29:18,640
attack or a

3901
02:29:22,150 --> 02:29:20,160
critique at all this is just an

3902
02:29:24,870 --> 02:29:22,160
observation but it seemed that

3903
02:29:27,510 --> 02:29:24,880
especially by episode 3

3904
02:29:29,750 --> 02:29:27,520
they began to put a lot of stock in kind

3905
02:29:30,710 --> 02:29:29,760
of building the tone of the program

3906
02:29:32,790 --> 02:29:30,720
around

3907
02:29:34,870 --> 02:29:32,800
james's ideas now again

3908
02:29:36,630 --> 02:29:34,880
folks should watch the series and you

3909
02:29:38,790 --> 02:29:36,640
know come to their own conclusions about

3910
02:29:40,790 --> 02:29:38,800
that was my interpretation but you know

3911
02:29:42,150 --> 02:29:40,800
having read a lot of james's books you

3912
02:29:43,830 --> 02:29:42,160
know and uh reached out to him even

3913
02:29:45,429 --> 02:29:43,840
communicated with him at one point

3914
02:29:47,510 --> 02:29:45,439
because you know i was really interested

3915
02:29:49,670 --> 02:29:47,520
when to the stars academy for arts and

3916
02:29:52,469 --> 02:29:49,680
sciences comes on the scene

3917
02:29:54,230 --> 02:29:52,479
uh i was really interested at that point

3918
02:29:56,070 --> 02:29:54,240
in wanting to know and actually even

3919
02:29:59,110 --> 02:29:56,080
earlier let me you know full disclosure

3920
02:30:00,950 --> 02:29:59,120
back as far as 2013 back when bigelow

3921
02:30:02,309 --> 02:30:00,960
was funding mufon i mean i was really

3922
02:30:04,389 --> 02:30:02,319
interested i wanted to know what is

3923
02:30:06,550 --> 02:30:04,399
bigelow funding mufon for

3924
02:30:09,190 --> 02:30:06,560
so the national communications director

3925
02:30:10,469 --> 02:30:09,200
for mufon roger marsh at the time was on

3926
02:30:12,309 --> 02:30:10,479
a phone call with me and i asked him and

3927
02:30:14,309 --> 02:30:12,319
he said i'm happy to tell you about that

3928
02:30:16,070 --> 02:30:14,319
and i spoke to star team

3929
02:30:17,990 --> 02:30:16,080
you know investigators and other mufon

3930
02:30:19,990 --> 02:30:18,000
members every time i was able to sit

3931
02:30:22,230 --> 02:30:20,000
down have dinner have a drink get on a

3932
02:30:23,830 --> 02:30:22,240
phone call with a mufon you know

3933
02:30:25,990 --> 02:30:23,840
member of typically members of

3934
02:30:27,190 --> 02:30:26,000
leadership state directors directors of

3935
02:30:29,270 --> 02:30:27,200
you know various positions for

3936
02:30:31,349 --> 02:30:29,280
international you know leadership in the

3937
02:30:33,429 --> 02:30:31,359
in the organization i would ask them

3938
02:30:35,349 --> 02:30:33,439
why is bigelow funding this agency

3939
02:30:37,349 --> 02:30:35,359
what's going on here

3940
02:30:39,190 --> 02:30:37,359
and you know i basically got the same

3941
02:30:40,630 --> 02:30:39,200
response from everybody you know he is

3942
02:30:42,710 --> 02:30:40,640
he is funding but you know there's a

3943
02:30:44,070 --> 02:30:42,720
contract and everything but nobody

3944
02:30:46,070 --> 02:30:44,080
apparently knew really where that money

3945
02:30:48,230 --> 02:30:46,080
was coming from maybe some people on the

3946
02:30:49,910 --> 02:30:48,240
board of directors had known but james

3947
02:30:51,429 --> 02:30:49,920
carrion didn't know and so he took issue

3948
02:30:53,590 --> 02:30:51,439
with that and if you recall he resigned

3949
02:30:55,190 --> 02:30:53,600
in protest as a result of all that

3950
02:30:57,429 --> 02:30:55,200
and it wrote his resignation letter is

3951
02:30:59,510 --> 02:30:57,439
still available online uh he comes to

3952
02:31:01,270 --> 02:30:59,520
find out later after having asked

3953
02:31:02,870 --> 02:31:01,280
bigelow you know can you tell me who the

3954
02:31:04,389 --> 02:31:02,880
sponsor is who's providing the money

3955
02:31:05,429 --> 02:31:04,399
well no i can't tell you well is it

3956
02:31:07,270 --> 02:31:05,439
government is it someone within

3957
02:31:08,950 --> 02:31:07,280
government no it's not government well

3958
02:31:10,630 --> 02:31:08,960
now we know of course with the atip

3959
02:31:12,870 --> 02:31:10,640
program and the appropriated you know

3960
02:31:14,790 --> 02:31:12,880
funds by harry reid at al

3961
02:31:16,309 --> 02:31:14,800
yeah it was coming from government that

3962
02:31:19,510 --> 02:31:16,319
answered a lot of questions for me too

3963
02:31:20,790 --> 02:31:19,520
and so you know back in like 2018 2019 i

3964
02:31:22,469 --> 02:31:20,800
guess you know i reached out to james

3965
02:31:23,750 --> 02:31:22,479
carey and had a very brief communication

3966
02:31:25,590 --> 02:31:23,760
where he basically said yeah you know i

3967
02:31:27,190 --> 02:31:25,600
don't think i can tell you anything that

3968
02:31:29,590 --> 02:31:27,200
isn't in that resignation letter but i'd

3969
02:31:31,030 --> 02:31:29,600
be happy to answer questions if you want

3970
02:31:32,469 --> 02:31:31,040
but then the communication went no

3971
02:31:33,990 --> 02:31:32,479
further i followed up and i didn't hear

3972
02:31:35,830 --> 02:31:34,000
back from him again

3973
02:31:37,190 --> 02:31:35,840
so i mean he'd been kind of off my radar

3974
02:31:38,950 --> 02:31:37,200
for a while i've always wanted to talk

3975
02:31:40,550 --> 02:31:38,960
to kyrian but he's kind of hard to get a

3976
02:31:42,550 --> 02:31:40,560
hold of now when he appeared on this

3977
02:31:45,270 --> 02:31:42,560
documentary very interesting to see his

3978
02:31:47,110 --> 02:31:45,280
perspectives on things but having read a

3979
02:31:49,590 --> 02:31:47,120
lot of his work his research papers

3980
02:31:51,190 --> 02:31:49,600
books he's written blog posts etc you

3981
02:31:53,270 --> 02:31:51,200
know his main

3982
02:31:54,710 --> 02:31:53,280
theory seems to be having after left

3983
02:31:56,630 --> 02:31:54,720
move on and maybe you know kind of

3984
02:31:58,790 --> 02:31:56,640
feeling a little burnt by things i can

3985
02:32:00,309 --> 02:31:58,800
totally understand why you know i

3986
02:32:02,550 --> 02:32:00,319
sympathize with that

3987
02:32:05,030 --> 02:32:02,560
but you know he kind of has said that in

3988
02:32:07,510 --> 02:32:05,040
his opinion that the ufo phenomenon

3989
02:32:09,510 --> 02:32:07,520
seems to be basically something that is

3990
02:32:11,990 --> 02:32:09,520
mainly created by government and

3991
02:32:13,750 --> 02:32:12,000
controlled by government now he concedes

3992
02:32:14,870 --> 02:32:13,760
in the program and clarifies his

3993
02:32:16,469 --> 02:32:14,880
position

3994
02:32:18,550 --> 02:32:16,479
the earth may have been visited in the

3995
02:32:20,469 --> 02:32:18,560
past it may be visited right now by

3996
02:32:22,389 --> 02:32:20,479
intelligent life we don't know but his

3997
02:32:25,110 --> 02:32:22,399
contention his main theory seems to be

3998
02:32:27,510 --> 02:32:25,120
that ufos are primarily a disinformation

3999
02:32:29,429 --> 02:32:27,520
tool used by government again if that is

4000
02:32:30,950 --> 02:32:29,439
your primary conclusion

4001
02:32:32,309 --> 02:32:30,960
there's no other way and this is a

4002
02:32:33,990 --> 02:32:32,319
fundamental point i think there's no

4003
02:32:36,950 --> 02:32:34,000
other way you could see to the stars

4004
02:32:38,950 --> 02:32:36,960
academy lou elizondo chris mellon or any

4005
02:32:41,110 --> 02:32:38,960
of these former government

4006
02:32:43,349 --> 02:32:41,120
employees who are now sort of these

4007
02:32:44,790 --> 02:32:43,359
superstars of the ufo community now i

4008
02:32:47,110 --> 02:32:44,800
don't know if i agree with carrion on

4009
02:32:49,349 --> 02:32:47,120
all those points but i mean it's easy to

4010
02:32:50,870 --> 02:32:49,359
understand based on how he lays out his

4011
02:32:53,110 --> 02:32:50,880
thought process about the role

4012
02:32:55,429 --> 02:32:53,120
government plays in ufo studies

4013
02:32:57,270 --> 02:32:55,439
as far as why he thinks that that's what

4014
02:32:58,790 --> 02:32:57,280
role these guys have and the show seems

4015
02:32:59,910 --> 02:32:58,800
to have followed that narrative pretty

4016
02:33:03,349 --> 02:32:59,920
strongly

4017
02:33:05,590 --> 02:33:03,359
well and the one of the producers uh

4018
02:33:06,950 --> 02:33:05,600
asked carrion uh

4019
02:33:10,870 --> 02:33:06,960
directly

4020
02:33:14,630 --> 02:33:10,880
you know so what was t at ttsa and

4021
02:33:16,950 --> 02:33:14,640
and carrion says it was an op

4022
02:33:19,830 --> 02:33:16,960
right that's what he that that's that

4023
02:33:21,230 --> 02:33:19,840
and these are now like you said

4024
02:33:24,309 --> 02:33:21,240
these are now

4025
02:33:27,670 --> 02:33:24,319
conclusions being presented

4026
02:33:29,510 --> 02:33:27,680
by j.j abrams and his production team

4027
02:33:31,270 --> 02:33:29,520
yes but the question i have about those

4028
02:33:32,830 --> 02:33:31,280
conclusions is

4029
02:33:35,910 --> 02:33:32,840
where is the

4030
02:33:38,389 --> 02:33:35,920
evidence where's the evidence i mean

4031
02:33:39,590 --> 02:33:38,399
again if we make any kind of claim they

4032
02:33:41,830 --> 02:33:39,600
don't even necessarily have to be

4033
02:33:44,710 --> 02:33:41,840
extraordinary claims you know i say i

4034
02:33:47,670 --> 02:33:44,720
think that ufos are alien craft piloted

4035
02:33:49,990 --> 02:33:47,680
by zeta reticulums where's the evidence

4036
02:33:51,510 --> 02:33:50,000
what can you offer to support that claim

4037
02:33:53,750 --> 02:33:51,520
well we couldn't build something like

4038
02:33:55,349 --> 02:33:53,760
that okay so you made an observation

4039
02:33:56,950 --> 02:33:55,359
that suggests that they are not of

4040
02:33:58,630 --> 02:33:56,960
earthly providence at least of any kind

4041
02:34:01,349 --> 02:33:58,640
of known earthly providence but you did

4042
02:34:03,590 --> 02:34:01,359
not offer unequivocal proof that zeta

4043
02:34:05,429 --> 02:34:03,600
reticulins are piloting that craft where

4044
02:34:06,870 --> 02:34:05,439
is your evidence for that specific claim

4045
02:34:08,790 --> 02:34:06,880
you see

4046
02:34:10,870 --> 02:34:08,800
in much the same

4047
02:34:13,349 --> 02:34:10,880
kind of line of thinking if we are going

4048
02:34:16,469 --> 02:34:13,359
to say well this is an operation

4049
02:34:17,830 --> 02:34:16,479
and that you know guys like lou elizondo

4050
02:34:21,110 --> 02:34:17,840
or whoever

4051
02:34:23,110 --> 02:34:21,120
are playing a role that is aimed at

4052
02:34:24,469 --> 02:34:23,120
steering the public narrative on ufos

4053
02:34:26,150 --> 02:34:24,479
and again lots of people think that i

4054
02:34:28,389 --> 02:34:26,160
mean let's just acknowledge that that

4055
02:34:30,550 --> 02:34:28,399
that is a theory that many people

4056
02:34:32,150 --> 02:34:30,560
find to be the most likely

4057
02:34:34,150 --> 02:34:32,160
i've talked to a lot of those people

4058
02:34:35,750 --> 02:34:34,160
i've at times you know wondered things

4059
02:34:37,830 --> 02:34:35,760
because i go through in my mind every

4060
02:34:40,150 --> 02:34:37,840
different kind of possible scenario and

4061
02:34:42,790 --> 02:34:40,160
you've talked to lou i've talked to lou

4062
02:34:45,510 --> 02:34:42,800
but you know my feeling

4063
02:34:47,510 --> 02:34:45,520
after having considered that possibility

4064
02:34:49,750 --> 02:34:47,520
is that even if that were the case i

4065
02:34:51,830 --> 02:34:49,760
haven't seen evidence of it i don't feel

4066
02:34:53,990 --> 02:34:51,840
like that's what it is i'm open to that

4067
02:34:55,750 --> 02:34:54,000
possibility but i still want to see the

4068
02:34:57,590 --> 02:34:55,760
evidence can you provide some data that

4069
02:34:59,670 --> 02:34:57,600
supports the idea the conclusion that

4070
02:35:01,510 --> 02:34:59,680
this is an operation

4071
02:35:03,910 --> 02:35:01,520
and that you know everything we've seen

4072
02:35:05,270 --> 02:35:03,920
since 2017 including the new york times

4073
02:35:07,190 --> 02:35:05,280
reporting

4074
02:35:09,590 --> 02:35:07,200
you know by leslie kane i mean

4075
02:35:11,349 --> 02:35:09,600
is that the kind of thing that eminence

4076
02:35:14,150 --> 02:35:11,359
said back in the day

4077
02:35:16,630 --> 02:35:14,160
he thought maybe his film had been

4078
02:35:18,309 --> 02:35:16,640
was the new york times reporting somehow

4079
02:35:19,510 --> 02:35:18,319
being steered even though the authors

4080
02:35:21,590 --> 02:35:19,520
didn't know it

4081
02:35:24,070 --> 02:35:21,600
there is some precedent for that idea

4082
02:35:26,630 --> 02:35:24,080
but usually what comes back around

4083
02:35:28,710 --> 02:35:26,640
like with mj 12 or whatever is people

4084
02:35:30,950 --> 02:35:28,720
begin to realize you know

4085
02:35:32,550 --> 02:35:30,960
i think they were trying to co-opt me

4086
02:35:33,590 --> 02:35:32,560
right i think they were trying to steer

4087
02:35:35,830 --> 02:35:33,600
the narrative and they were trying to

4088
02:35:37,270 --> 02:35:35,840
feed me bad information again where is

4089
02:35:39,110 --> 02:35:37,280
there evidence that in the new york

4090
02:35:41,750 --> 02:35:39,120
times in 2017 reporting on the

4091
02:35:43,510 --> 02:35:41,760
pentagon's a-tip program was a narrative

4092
02:35:45,510 --> 02:35:43,520
that was being steered now it very well

4093
02:35:47,270 --> 02:35:45,520
may come out in years from now that that

4094
02:35:49,830 --> 02:35:47,280
was the case but i haven't seen enough

4095
02:35:52,150 --> 02:35:49,840
evidence yet that to me

4096
02:35:53,910 --> 02:35:52,160
strongly supports that idea

4097
02:35:56,710 --> 02:35:53,920
what instead seems to be the case is

4098
02:35:58,790 --> 02:35:56,720
that the pentagon has looked at ufos

4099
02:36:00,150 --> 02:35:58,800
they are still with you know again under

4100
02:36:02,790 --> 02:36:00,160
the cognizance of the department of the

4101
02:36:05,190 --> 02:36:02,800
navy with the uap's task force uh they

4102
02:36:06,870 --> 02:36:05,200
are looking at ufos right now what have

4103
02:36:08,550 --> 02:36:06,880
been historically called ufos now they

4104
02:36:10,070 --> 02:36:08,560
call them uap

4105
02:36:11,750 --> 02:36:10,080
they are strongly concerned about the

4106
02:36:13,590 --> 02:36:11,760
possibility that china or russia may

4107
02:36:16,150 --> 02:36:13,600
have advanced aerospace capabilities and

4108
02:36:18,710 --> 02:36:16,160
they are trying to assess that potential

4109
02:36:19,830 --> 02:36:18,720
avi loeb a harvard astronomer and now

4110
02:36:21,349 --> 02:36:19,840
he's coming on your show this week so

4111
02:36:23,750 --> 02:36:21,359
you get to talk to him all about that

4112
02:36:25,429 --> 02:36:23,760
have some fun i like ivy a lot

4113
02:36:27,110 --> 02:36:25,439
but again he's now convinced you know

4114
02:36:28,309 --> 02:36:27,120
the skies are not classified if the

4115
02:36:30,550 --> 02:36:28,319
government says they're getting this

4116
02:36:32,710 --> 02:36:30,560
stuff the scientists have got to get in

4117
02:36:35,349 --> 02:36:32,720
on this game now what happens if avi

4118
02:36:37,349 --> 02:36:35,359
gets a megapixel image of a ufo like he

4119
02:36:39,510 --> 02:36:37,359
has set out to try and do with the

4120
02:36:42,550 --> 02:36:39,520
galileo project

4121
02:36:45,270 --> 02:36:42,560
what if he gets clear photographs of uap

4122
02:36:46,230 --> 02:36:45,280
and says here are the uaps we have them

4123
02:36:47,670 --> 02:36:46,240
now

4124
02:36:49,590 --> 02:36:47,680
and this isn't something that was leaked

4125
02:36:51,910 --> 02:36:49,600
from government this isn't something

4126
02:36:53,429 --> 02:36:51,920
that was you know obtained through foia

4127
02:36:56,389 --> 02:36:53,439
this isn't something that was mailed in

4128
02:36:57,990 --> 02:36:56,399
an envelope that arrives on somebody's

4129
02:36:59,510 --> 02:36:58,000
front doorstep

4130
02:37:02,790 --> 02:36:59,520
on microfilm

4131
02:37:04,469 --> 02:37:02,800
no now we have independent scientific

4132
02:37:06,950 --> 02:37:04,479
data that has been independently

4133
02:37:09,110 --> 02:37:06,960
collected from a non-governmental source

4134
02:37:11,110 --> 02:37:09,120
conveying information about uap that is

4135
02:37:13,270 --> 02:37:11,120
the best thing in my opinion that could

4136
02:37:16,790 --> 02:37:13,280
happen right now because then

4137
02:37:18,790 --> 02:37:16,800
all this government created ufos talk

4138
02:37:21,429 --> 02:37:18,800
goes out the window okay well then did

4139
02:37:23,030 --> 02:37:21,439
the scientists create ufos too

4140
02:37:25,270 --> 02:37:23,040
what was their motivation why did they

4141
02:37:28,150 --> 02:37:25,280
do that who are they trying to disinform

4142
02:37:30,950 --> 02:37:28,160
with their ufo photos

4143
02:37:33,590 --> 02:37:30,960
right yeah and and let's stay on this

4144
02:37:35,830 --> 02:37:33,600
for a second let's say

4145
02:37:38,070 --> 02:37:35,840
that uh you know on the surface

4146
02:37:39,830 --> 02:37:38,080
everything is playing out just as you

4147
02:37:44,389 --> 02:37:39,840
have suggested here

4148
02:37:47,910 --> 02:37:44,399
then what would showtime and jj abrams

4149
02:37:51,429 --> 02:37:47,920
motivation be for presenting it in the

4150
02:37:53,190 --> 02:37:51,439
way that they did is that in of itself

4151
02:37:54,469 --> 02:37:53,200
disinformation

4152
02:37:56,710 --> 02:37:54,479
well

4153
02:38:00,070 --> 02:37:56,720
i'll tell you a funny story jimmy

4154
02:38:01,830 --> 02:38:00,080
back when i worked in radio

4155
02:38:03,750 --> 02:38:01,840
they used to talk about

4156
02:38:05,349 --> 02:38:03,760
one of the old program directors at our

4157
02:38:07,590 --> 02:38:05,359
station

4158
02:38:09,270 --> 02:38:07,600
sheldon summerlin was his name and the

4159
02:38:11,030 --> 02:38:09,280
road that our station was on was named

4160
02:38:13,270 --> 02:38:11,040
after him

4161
02:38:14,630 --> 02:38:13,280
sheldon had gone away for several years

4162
02:38:16,550 --> 02:38:14,640
comes back

4163
02:38:18,309 --> 02:38:16,560
and he gets the job as the general

4164
02:38:19,990 --> 02:38:18,319
manager at the station and he's like i'm

4165
02:38:21,750 --> 02:38:20,000
gonna really clean things up we're gonna

4166
02:38:23,910 --> 02:38:21,760
really make a splash in this town you

4167
02:38:25,990 --> 02:38:23,920
know can i jump in and say that you've

4168
02:38:28,150 --> 02:38:26,000
talked to me about sheldon like a half a

4169
02:38:29,590 --> 02:38:28,160
dozen times over the years but this is

4170
02:38:30,630 --> 02:38:29,600
so relevant

4171
02:38:32,309 --> 02:38:30,640
i mean

4172
02:38:34,150 --> 02:38:32,319
he's somebody i wish i would have met

4173
02:38:36,309 --> 02:38:34,160
but continue

4174
02:38:37,270 --> 02:38:36,319
so and all and all your new listeners

4175
02:38:38,230 --> 02:38:37,280
because i know you've always got a

4176
02:38:39,590 --> 02:38:38,240
growing audience they're going to

4177
02:38:42,070 --> 02:38:39,600
appreciate this

4178
02:38:44,150 --> 02:38:42,080
sheldon walked into a shop in the next

4179
02:38:45,510 --> 02:38:44,160
town over one day

4180
02:38:47,110 --> 02:38:45,520
you remember this

4181
02:38:48,150 --> 02:38:47,120
continue continue

4182
02:38:50,630 --> 02:38:48,160
sheldon

4183
02:38:53,670 --> 02:38:50,640
walks in in a three-piece suit

4184
02:38:55,990 --> 02:38:53,680
he goes to the back of the barber shop

4185
02:38:57,590 --> 02:38:56,000
puts his briefcase down and he starts he

4186
02:38:58,710 --> 02:38:57,600
grabs a broom and starts sweeping the

4187
02:39:02,790 --> 02:38:58,720
floor

4188
02:39:06,070 --> 02:39:02,800
shop goes and puts the broom back gets

4189
02:39:08,469 --> 02:39:06,080
his suitcase and then just walks out

4190
02:39:09,990 --> 02:39:08,479
and i remember my supervisor telling me

4191
02:39:11,590 --> 02:39:10,000
the story i was like why did he do that

4192
02:39:13,429 --> 02:39:11,600
that's really weird

4193
02:39:15,750 --> 02:39:13,439
and john john anderson the voice of the

4194
02:39:19,190 --> 02:39:15,760
mountains my supervisor said he did it

4195
02:39:22,550 --> 02:39:20,469
now you and i are talking about this

4196
02:39:24,710 --> 02:39:22,560
showtime series right now aren't we

4197
02:39:25,910 --> 02:39:24,720
that's right a lot of people are talking

4198
02:39:28,950 --> 02:39:25,920
about that series why do you think

4199
02:39:33,670 --> 02:39:31,670
that show did its job

4200
02:39:35,910 --> 02:39:33,680
it generated talk

4201
02:39:37,990 --> 02:39:35,920
one person watches it and it goes viral

4202
02:39:40,230 --> 02:39:38,000
like everything that jj does he is a

4203
02:39:41,349 --> 02:39:40,240
master of viral marketing

4204
02:39:42,950 --> 02:39:41,359
it doesn't have the story doesn't have

4205
02:39:44,389 --> 02:39:42,960
to go anywhere as long as he can get one

4206
02:39:45,830 --> 02:39:44,399
person to watch it then he knows that

4207
02:39:46,870 --> 02:39:45,840
person is gonna get really angry and

4208
02:39:48,309 --> 02:39:46,880
they're gonna tell two friends and

4209
02:39:51,190 --> 02:39:48,319
they'll tell two friends and so on and

4210
02:39:53,510 --> 02:39:51,200
so on just like wayne's world

4211
02:39:55,349 --> 02:39:53,520
we're talking

4212
02:39:58,630 --> 02:39:55,359
everybody's talking

4213
02:40:03,670 --> 02:40:00,389
you're answering my question then so

4214
02:40:05,349 --> 02:40:03,680
then in it is the classic definition of

4215
02:40:06,630 --> 02:40:05,359
disinformation

4216
02:40:08,389 --> 02:40:06,640
well here's what i would say i don't

4217
02:40:11,349 --> 02:40:08,399
think it's disinformation by government

4218
02:40:13,590 --> 02:40:11,359
but it is the classic definition of a

4219
02:40:16,790 --> 02:40:13,600
narrative that gets people talking but

4220
02:40:18,389 --> 02:40:16,800
this is why i said on my show this week

4221
02:40:19,670 --> 02:40:18,399
i think it potentially i think i told

4222
02:40:21,670 --> 02:40:19,680
you this on the phone too i think it

4223
02:40:22,870 --> 02:40:21,680
potentially does more harm than good and

4224
02:40:24,550 --> 02:40:22,880
so here's the

4225
02:40:26,710 --> 02:40:24,560
disclaimer i will give people who have

4226
02:40:28,630 --> 02:40:26,720
not watched the series yet

4227
02:40:29,750 --> 02:40:28,640
go in there with an open mind

4228
02:40:31,429 --> 02:40:29,760
and

4229
02:40:34,630 --> 02:40:31,439
keep your mind open

4230
02:40:36,630 --> 02:40:34,640
uh but but don't take away any

4231
02:40:38,550 --> 02:40:36,640
conclusions about this phenomena based

4232
02:40:39,990 --> 02:40:38,560
on what you see on this show

4233
02:40:43,429 --> 02:40:40,000
i think that's the problem people watch

4234
02:40:45,830 --> 02:40:43,439
a television series that tries to to

4235
02:40:47,269 --> 02:40:45,840
cram several decades of serious research

4236
02:40:49,110 --> 02:40:47,279
into aerial phenomena of unknown

4237
02:40:51,429 --> 02:40:49,120
providence government involvement

4238
02:40:53,030 --> 02:40:51,439
civilian investigations you know serious

4239
02:40:55,349 --> 02:40:53,040
scientists who have looked at it

4240
02:40:57,429 --> 02:40:55,359
i'm sorry four hours

4241
02:40:59,510 --> 02:40:57,439
you can't do it in four hours

4242
02:41:01,110 --> 02:40:59,520
you know so this series is interesting

4243
02:41:03,990 --> 02:41:01,120
it's well produced you know the theme

4244
02:41:05,030 --> 02:41:04,000
the tone the cinematography it's great

4245
02:41:06,469 --> 02:41:05,040
watch it

4246
02:41:08,070 --> 02:41:06,479
but take it for what it is and i'll tell

4247
02:41:10,150 --> 02:41:08,080
you what that is

4248
02:41:12,070 --> 02:41:10,160
entertainment yeah

4249
02:41:14,309 --> 02:41:12,080
it is entertainment it's a great show on

4250
02:41:16,389 --> 02:41:14,319
ufos it's going to get people talking

4251
02:41:17,910 --> 02:41:16,399
the good side is that maybe it will get

4252
02:41:19,349 --> 02:41:17,920
enough people talking and more people

4253
02:41:20,790 --> 02:41:19,359
will be interested in this subject but

4254
02:41:22,550 --> 02:41:20,800
god isn't there already enough interest

4255
02:41:24,150 --> 02:41:22,560
in it aren't people already talking

4256
02:41:26,550 --> 02:41:24,160
haven't they for the last several years

4257
02:41:27,750 --> 02:41:26,560
been talking so the the negative side to

4258
02:41:29,269 --> 02:41:27,760
me is

4259
02:41:31,349 --> 02:41:29,279
in the way that it presents some of the

4260
02:41:33,110 --> 02:41:31,359
information i do worry it does more harm

4261
02:41:35,670 --> 02:41:33,120
than good because we've made so much

4262
02:41:37,349 --> 02:41:35,680
progress with this topic

4263
02:41:40,150 --> 02:41:37,359
and if a series comes along with the

4264
02:41:41,910 --> 02:41:40,160
intention of just generating interest

4265
02:41:44,870 --> 02:41:41,920
and you know getting a lot of people to

4266
02:41:47,349 --> 02:41:44,880
subscribe to showtime and thereby jj has

4267
02:41:49,030 --> 02:41:47,359
succeeded he and his team at their job

4268
02:41:50,550 --> 02:41:49,040
doing exactly what they set out to do

4269
02:41:52,070 --> 02:41:50,560
not to misinform anybody but to

4270
02:41:53,590 --> 02:41:52,080
entertain

4271
02:41:55,110 --> 02:41:53,600
but the byproduct is some people may

4272
02:41:58,150 --> 02:41:55,120
come away and go well maybe there wasn't

4273
02:41:59,510 --> 02:41:58,160
much to the ufo story after all and i

4274
02:42:01,030 --> 02:41:59,520
don't think that that's what we need to

4275
02:42:03,190 --> 02:42:01,040
be thinking right now i think that with

4276
02:42:05,510 --> 02:42:03,200
the significant strides that we've seen

4277
02:42:06,870 --> 02:42:05,520
being made in the government

4278
02:42:08,630 --> 02:42:06,880
by the media

4279
02:42:10,150 --> 02:42:08,640
by civilian researchers and now the

4280
02:42:12,389 --> 02:42:10,160
scientific community that's one of the

4281
02:42:14,790 --> 02:42:12,399
most significant outcomes of the uap

4282
02:42:16,550 --> 02:42:14,800
task force's preliminary assessment i

4283
02:42:18,150 --> 02:42:16,560
have talked to chris mp at arizona

4284
02:42:19,750 --> 02:42:18,160
university i mean we've talked to avi

4285
02:42:21,110 --> 02:42:19,760
loeb look at what it did with him it

4286
02:42:22,790 --> 02:42:21,120
galvanized many members of the

4287
02:42:24,309 --> 02:42:22,800
scientific community who are now saying

4288
02:42:26,550 --> 02:42:24,319
you know okay the government says they

4289
02:42:28,309 --> 02:42:26,560
are collecting data on these things

4290
02:42:30,070 --> 02:42:28,319
let's get our own data let's really

4291
02:42:31,429 --> 02:42:30,080
seriously look at this

4292
02:42:34,150 --> 02:42:31,439
that is the most significant thing we

4293
02:42:36,790 --> 02:42:34,160
have seen in recent days the government

4294
02:42:38,550 --> 02:42:36,800
encouraged scientists who have kept this

4295
02:42:40,950 --> 02:42:38,560
at arm's length for decades to finally

4296
02:42:43,190 --> 02:42:40,960
say you know what yeah challenge

4297
02:42:44,309 --> 02:42:43,200
accepted let's look at this and if

4298
02:42:46,150 --> 02:42:44,319
anything

4299
02:42:47,750 --> 02:42:46,160
brings us back from that point that is

4300
02:42:49,190 --> 02:42:47,760
potentially doing more harm than good in

4301
02:42:51,269 --> 02:42:49,200
my opinion because this is a subject

4302
02:42:53,110 --> 02:42:51,279
science should be looking at this is a

4303
02:42:54,389 --> 02:42:53,120
topic that we need scientists putting

4304
02:42:56,309 --> 02:42:54,399
their eyes on

4305
02:42:58,710 --> 02:42:56,319
because in my opinion and this isn't

4306
02:43:00,710 --> 02:42:58,720
about distrust for government

4307
02:43:03,510 --> 02:43:00,720
it's just recognition of the reality of

4308
02:43:05,030 --> 02:43:03,520
the situation if we wait to see what the

4309
02:43:06,550 --> 02:43:05,040
government tells us about uap we're

4310
02:43:09,990 --> 02:43:06,560
going to get another report

4311
02:43:12,070 --> 02:43:10,000
okay in a few months that says 133 more

4312
02:43:13,670 --> 02:43:12,080
incidents involving things we couldn't

4313
02:43:15,990 --> 02:43:13,680
explain

4314
02:43:21,830 --> 02:43:16,000
and then three months after that we've

4315
02:43:24,389 --> 02:43:21,840
got a 127 new reports of things things

4316
02:43:26,870 --> 02:43:24,399
if you want actual data about what these

4317
02:43:27,830 --> 02:43:26,880
things are go to the scientists because

4318
02:43:30,150 --> 02:43:27,840
the government ain't going to be giving

4319
02:43:31,910 --> 02:43:30,160
you that information i got news for you

4320
02:43:33,110 --> 02:43:31,920
can't you

4321
02:43:35,190 --> 02:43:33,120
um

4322
02:43:38,630 --> 02:43:35,200
now and i imagine that you can't can't

4323
02:43:41,510 --> 02:43:38,640
you call uh you know bad robot

4324
02:43:43,670 --> 02:43:41,520
and and say you know check this out

4325
02:43:45,990 --> 02:43:43,680
this is this is freaking micah hanks of

4326
02:43:47,750 --> 02:43:46,000
the debrief

4327
02:43:50,790 --> 02:43:47,760
can't you with the power because that's

4328
02:43:52,070 --> 02:43:50,800
where the debrief is today it is

4329
02:43:52,950 --> 02:43:52,080
can't you

4330
02:43:59,110 --> 02:43:52,960
uh

4331
02:44:01,510 --> 02:43:59,120
get jj on the phone

4332
02:44:04,469 --> 02:44:01,520
and and ask him

4333
02:44:06,389 --> 02:44:04,479
the who what when where and why about

4334
02:44:09,030 --> 02:44:06,399
the series

4335
02:44:10,790 --> 02:44:09,040
don't you have that juice today

4336
02:44:11,910 --> 02:44:10,800
i don't know uh but you know i could

4337
02:44:13,910 --> 02:44:11,920
certainly try i mean it would be

4338
02:44:16,070 --> 02:44:13,920
interesting to talk to

4339
02:44:18,550 --> 02:44:16,080
people but i i have a feeling that i

4340
02:44:19,429 --> 02:44:18,560
know what the answer would be

4341
02:44:21,190 --> 02:44:19,439
i don't think that there was any

4342
02:44:22,550 --> 02:44:21,200
malicious tint with this documentary

4343
02:44:24,389 --> 02:44:22,560
documentary series i think that what

4344
02:44:27,830 --> 02:44:24,399
they were trying to do was present both

4345
02:44:29,190 --> 02:44:27,840
sides of the argument but again it's the

4346
02:44:31,110 --> 02:44:29,200
the um

4347
02:44:33,510 --> 02:44:31,120
the order in which the arguments are

4348
02:44:35,030 --> 02:44:33,520
presented

4349
02:44:36,150 --> 02:44:35,040
right that's what leaves the taste in

4350
02:44:37,269 --> 02:44:36,160
your mouth

4351
02:44:39,510 --> 02:44:37,279
if you eat

4352
02:44:41,349 --> 02:44:39,520
the asparagus after you eat the

4353
02:44:42,630 --> 02:44:41,359
chocolate covered strawberry what is the

4354
02:44:44,469 --> 02:44:42,640
taste that's going to be left in your

4355
02:44:46,790 --> 02:44:44,479
mouth right which one would you rather

4356
02:44:48,309 --> 02:44:46,800
remember throughout the night

4357
02:44:49,990 --> 02:44:48,319
and we all come away from watching this

4358
02:44:51,670 --> 02:44:50,000
series going ah

4359
02:44:53,110 --> 02:44:51,680
that didn't really make things look all

4360
02:44:54,790 --> 02:44:53,120
that great did it because the last two

4361
02:44:56,630 --> 02:44:54,800
episodes right yeah well

4362
02:45:00,230 --> 02:44:56,640
chocolate-covered strawberries are good

4363
02:45:01,990 --> 02:45:00,240
on all four episodes but let me say this

4364
02:45:03,590 --> 02:45:02,000
yeah

4365
02:45:07,670 --> 02:45:03,600
don't you feel

4366
02:45:10,950 --> 02:45:07,680
that the way that um episode 3 is

4367
02:45:14,710 --> 02:45:10,960
presented it is discounting because

4368
02:45:17,110 --> 02:45:14,720
kevin day is is is is there oh man but

4369
02:45:19,750 --> 02:45:17,120
but it's it's discounting kevin day it's

4370
02:45:22,230 --> 02:45:19,760
discounting alex dietrich it's

4371
02:45:26,070 --> 02:45:22,240
discounting david fravor

4372
02:45:28,950 --> 02:45:26,080
um uh gary voorhees and all of the crew

4373
02:45:30,630 --> 02:45:28,960
members all of the winged men and women

4374
02:45:34,469 --> 02:45:30,640
um and

4375
02:45:37,030 --> 02:45:34,479
and and that part of it is

4376
02:45:39,190 --> 02:45:37,040
it's not um

4377
02:45:42,389 --> 02:45:39,200
i think honest is the word i'm looking

4378
02:45:45,429 --> 02:45:42,399
for it it feels you come away just

4379
02:45:47,510 --> 02:45:45,439
feeling a little bit dirty micah

4380
02:45:49,590 --> 02:45:47,520
well you know again

4381
02:45:50,309 --> 02:45:49,600
one might see it like this

4382
02:45:52,790 --> 02:45:50,319
if

4383
02:45:54,710 --> 02:45:52,800
one buys the narrative that

4384
02:45:56,309 --> 02:45:54,720
the government is

4385
02:45:57,750 --> 02:45:56,319
you know pulling the puppet strings and

4386
02:45:59,429 --> 02:45:57,760
that they are the ones behind the ufo

4387
02:46:01,429 --> 02:45:59,439
phenomenon

4388
02:46:04,710 --> 02:46:01,439
the intention might have been to try and

4389
02:46:06,309 --> 02:46:04,720
generate sympathy for guys like voorhees

4390
02:46:08,150 --> 02:46:06,319
and especially kevin day because i mean

4391
02:46:10,790 --> 02:46:08,160
look at how much this has affected his

4392
02:46:12,870 --> 02:46:10,800
life and so the premise might be well

4393
02:46:14,550 --> 02:46:12,880
is the government doing this to

4394
02:46:16,309 --> 02:46:14,560
you know those who have served our

4395
02:46:18,550 --> 02:46:16,319
country put their lives on the line like

4396
02:46:20,150 --> 02:46:18,560
kevin has done like gary has done like

4397
02:46:21,750 --> 02:46:20,160
commander fravor has done like alex

4398
02:46:23,590 --> 02:46:21,760
dietrich has done

4399
02:46:25,269 --> 02:46:23,600
you know these people who risk life and

4400
02:46:26,150 --> 02:46:25,279
limb is this how our government treats

4401
02:46:28,389 --> 02:46:26,160
them

4402
02:46:29,750 --> 02:46:28,399
you know would the u.s air force test

4403
02:46:32,550 --> 02:46:29,760
technologies

4404
02:46:34,550 --> 02:46:32,560
on our own navy

4405
02:46:36,630 --> 02:46:34,560
their own technologies

4406
02:46:38,389 --> 02:46:36,640
and not tell the service men and women

4407
02:46:40,309 --> 02:46:38,399
who actually experienced that and whose

4408
02:46:41,910 --> 02:46:40,319
lives were changed by this is that what

4409
02:46:44,469 --> 02:46:41,920
they do so i mean they might be seen as

4410
02:46:46,309 --> 02:46:44,479
trying to generate sympathy for those

4411
02:46:47,349 --> 02:46:46,319
people rather than to try and discount

4412
02:46:48,309 --> 02:46:47,359
what they had to say because look i'm

4413
02:46:50,630 --> 02:46:48,319
going to tell you right now no matter

4414
02:46:53,110 --> 02:46:50,640
how hard j.j abrams or anybody else

4415
02:46:55,510 --> 02:46:53,120
tries you know and throw the skeptic you

4416
02:46:57,269 --> 02:46:55,520
know bunch in there as well you're not

4417
02:46:59,670 --> 02:46:57,279
going to discount

4418
02:47:01,190 --> 02:46:59,680
what the nimitz witnesses saw and what

4419
02:47:03,429 --> 02:47:01,200
they experienced they experienced

4420
02:47:05,750 --> 02:47:03,439
something we may not all agree

4421
02:47:08,550 --> 02:47:05,760
in this space-time reality on what that

4422
02:47:10,389 --> 02:47:08,560
something was right

4423
02:47:11,750 --> 02:47:10,399
but you can't you can't deny that they

4424
02:47:14,150 --> 02:47:11,760
experienced something and i think that

4425
02:47:15,910 --> 02:47:14,160
maybe actually some

4426
02:47:17,990 --> 02:47:15,920
some have tried to say that nothing at

4427
02:47:19,590 --> 02:47:18,000
all happened whatsoever and that it was

4428
02:47:21,030 --> 02:47:19,600
all just a series of random events that

4429
02:47:24,469 --> 02:47:21,040
have now been tied together into a

4430
02:47:25,510 --> 02:47:24,479
fortunate ufo narrative i'm sorry

4431
02:47:27,750 --> 02:47:25,520
and actually i think there's a pretty

4432
02:47:29,190 --> 02:47:27,760
good argument to be made against that

4433
02:47:30,550 --> 02:47:29,200
um

4434
02:47:32,550 --> 02:47:30,560
with you know with respect i've said in

4435
02:47:34,230 --> 02:47:32,560
the past that i respect mick west so i'm

4436
02:47:35,750 --> 02:47:34,240
gonna go ahead and you know name him

4437
02:47:37,349 --> 02:47:35,760
because he is a skeptic who has

4438
02:47:39,349 --> 02:47:37,359
essentially presented an argument like

4439
02:47:41,670 --> 02:47:39,359
that you know i think we can explain the

4440
02:47:43,429 --> 02:47:41,680
video this way here's an interpretation

4441
02:47:44,950 --> 02:47:43,439
of some of the sightings

4442
02:47:46,870 --> 02:47:44,960
right and he would use those kinds of

4443
02:47:48,550 --> 02:47:46,880
arguments on a case for case basis

4444
02:47:50,950 --> 02:47:48,560
looking at separate aspects and elements

4445
02:47:52,550 --> 02:47:50,960
of the broader nimitz situation and he

4446
02:47:54,469 --> 02:47:52,560
would say well we can explain each of

4447
02:47:55,750 --> 02:47:54,479
these individual kind of

4448
02:47:57,990 --> 02:47:55,760
areas

4449
02:47:59,590 --> 02:47:58,000
and therefore i think that in some total

4450
02:48:01,990 --> 02:47:59,600
we can argue that there isn't really a

4451
02:48:04,070 --> 02:48:02,000
ufo incident that was going on here now

4452
02:48:06,630 --> 02:48:04,080
if you remember gideon lewis krauss

4453
02:48:09,269 --> 02:48:06,640
right in his article for the new yorker

4454
02:48:10,870 --> 02:48:09,279
uh he is of course talking about mcquest

4455
02:48:12,309 --> 02:48:10,880
at various points and then he also is

4456
02:48:13,910 --> 02:48:12,319
going to these unnamed government

4457
02:48:15,349 --> 02:48:13,920
officials and it's strongly implied that

4458
02:48:17,110 --> 02:48:15,359
these are people either who are familiar

4459
02:48:19,590 --> 02:48:17,120
with the workings of the uap task force

4460
02:48:21,830 --> 02:48:19,600
or possibly the current members of

4461
02:48:23,670 --> 02:48:21,840
that task force okay there's like two or

4462
02:48:25,910 --> 02:48:23,680
three guys up there right

4463
02:48:28,710 --> 02:48:25,920
and and at one point one of them who is

4464
02:48:31,190 --> 02:48:28,720
not named in the article says

4465
02:48:33,269 --> 02:48:31,200
if those skeptics

4466
02:48:34,870 --> 02:48:33,279
saw all the data

4467
02:48:36,710 --> 02:48:34,880
that we have seen they would not be

4468
02:48:38,150 --> 02:48:36,720
saying those kinds of things what kind

4469
02:48:41,590 --> 02:48:38,160
of data are we talking about and i think

4470
02:48:43,670 --> 02:48:41,600
about jeremy corbell's most recent video

4471
02:48:45,429 --> 02:48:43,680
interview with now commander chad

4472
02:48:47,750 --> 02:48:45,439
underwood who actually was the pilot at

4473
02:48:49,510 --> 02:48:47,760
the time with the raytheon atlear

4474
02:48:51,750 --> 02:48:49,520
targeting pod equipped on board his

4475
02:48:53,590 --> 02:48:51,760
aircraft who filmed the so-called

4476
02:48:55,910 --> 02:48:53,600
tic-tac

4477
02:48:57,269 --> 02:48:55,920
at some point in that interview he

4478
02:48:59,269 --> 02:48:57,279
actually says you know as far as the

4479
02:49:00,389 --> 02:48:59,279
radar data that's mysteriously

4480
02:49:01,990 --> 02:49:00,399
disappeared

4481
02:49:03,510 --> 02:49:02,000
you know under was like i can tell you i

4482
02:49:05,750 --> 02:49:03,520
don't think that's coming out anytime

4483
02:49:07,910 --> 02:49:05,760
soon and i'll tell you why

4484
02:49:09,910 --> 02:49:07,920
because for that data for all of that to

4485
02:49:11,910 --> 02:49:09,920
be released would compromise national

4486
02:49:14,070 --> 02:49:11,920
security and the security of the systems

4487
02:49:15,510 --> 02:49:14,080
used to obtain that data so he says i

4488
02:49:17,030 --> 02:49:15,520
don't see that coming out soon but the

4489
02:49:18,710 --> 02:49:17,040
videos could be released without

4490
02:49:21,190 --> 02:49:18,720
compromising the systems that were used

4491
02:49:23,269 --> 02:49:21,200
to obtain that data

4492
02:49:25,110 --> 02:49:23,279
i'm certain that if you looked at what

4493
02:49:26,710 --> 02:49:25,120
the uap task force and others in

4494
02:49:28,230 --> 02:49:26,720
government have looked at

4495
02:49:29,830 --> 02:49:28,240
you know they probably have had access

4496
02:49:31,910 --> 02:49:29,840
to a lot of that data like the radar

4497
02:49:34,070 --> 02:49:31,920
data in addition to the film footage in

4498
02:49:35,030 --> 02:49:34,080
addition to other instrumental data

4499
02:49:36,389 --> 02:49:35,040
right

4500
02:49:38,550 --> 02:49:36,399
that's what they're talking about when

4501
02:49:40,550 --> 02:49:38,560
they told gideon lewis krauss you know

4502
02:49:42,309 --> 02:49:40,560
if the skeptics could see all the data

4503
02:49:44,870 --> 02:49:42,319
that we have seen they wouldn't be

4504
02:49:46,150 --> 02:49:44,880
making these you know circular arguments

4505
02:49:48,070 --> 02:49:46,160
saying there is no such thing as an

4506
02:49:50,309 --> 02:49:48,080
actual ufo incident apart from

4507
02:49:52,469 --> 02:49:50,319
misperceptions and a whole storm of them

4508
02:49:53,830 --> 02:49:52,479
seemingly that magically come together

4509
02:49:55,510 --> 02:49:53,840
years after the fact and are

4510
02:49:58,230 --> 02:49:55,520
misremembered as a ufo incident the

4511
02:50:00,230 --> 02:49:58,240
biggest and maybe the best of all time

4512
02:50:02,230 --> 02:50:00,240
right but here's the problem with all

4513
02:50:04,150 --> 02:50:02,240
that if the government has seen all that

4514
02:50:05,590 --> 02:50:04,160
stuff and they can anonymously tell a

4515
02:50:07,030 --> 02:50:05,600
guy writing for the new yorker that yeah

4516
02:50:09,030 --> 02:50:07,040
we've seen it and he'll never see that

4517
02:50:10,790 --> 02:50:09,040
but if he did it would change his mind

4518
02:50:12,870 --> 02:50:10,800
where does that really get us how does

4519
02:50:15,110 --> 02:50:12,880
that help us resolve this yet again i

4520
02:50:17,349 --> 02:50:15,120
say we need scientists with their own

4521
02:50:19,590 --> 02:50:17,359
information systems their own equipment

4522
02:50:22,150 --> 02:50:19,600
their own data collection methods and

4523
02:50:24,870 --> 02:50:22,160
control methodologies with repeatable

4524
02:50:26,630 --> 02:50:24,880
scientific methodologies being applied

4525
02:50:28,469 --> 02:50:26,640
we need those scientists looking at this

4526
02:50:29,910 --> 02:50:28,479
we can't rely on the data coming from

4527
02:50:31,429 --> 02:50:29,920
government because there's a good chance

4528
02:50:33,670 --> 02:50:31,439
we'll never see it

4529
02:50:35,190 --> 02:50:33,680
well and that point

4530
02:50:37,670 --> 02:50:35,200
all of that

4531
02:50:40,710 --> 02:50:37,680
should be and that's not risking any

4532
02:50:45,269 --> 02:50:40,720
national security uh issues or raising

4533
02:50:47,110 --> 02:50:45,279
any should have been in the uaptf report

4534
02:50:48,710 --> 02:50:47,120
right we came to these conclusions

4535
02:50:51,190 --> 02:50:48,720
because if you

4536
02:50:52,550 --> 02:50:51,200
have seen if you could see the data in

4537
02:50:54,070 --> 02:50:52,560
the public report if you could see the

4538
02:50:56,710 --> 02:50:54,080
data that we have actually reviewed

4539
02:50:59,990 --> 02:50:56,720
without that then we can unequivocally

4540
02:51:01,830 --> 02:51:00,000
say it ain't us folks we don't know what

4541
02:51:04,150 --> 02:51:01,840
it is but we know

4542
02:51:06,230 --> 02:51:04,160
because of the data that it's not that's

4543
02:51:08,710 --> 02:51:06,240
not that's not what was in the report

4544
02:51:11,429 --> 02:51:08,720
the report was we know nothing that's

4545
02:51:12,389 --> 02:51:11,439
what was in the report right

4546
02:51:15,670 --> 02:51:12,399
so

4547
02:51:18,710 --> 02:51:15,680
if you are going to uh infer back to

4548
02:51:19,910 --> 02:51:18,720
like chad underwood and and again uh we

4549
02:51:25,110 --> 02:51:19,920
have to

4550
02:51:27,830 --> 02:51:25,120
face value i mean they said some pretty

4551
02:51:29,510 --> 02:51:27,840
extraordinary things it was there

4552
02:51:31,990 --> 02:51:29,520
and it was gone

4553
02:51:34,150 --> 02:51:32,000
okay all right just just that right

4554
02:51:37,670 --> 02:51:34,160
that's not what is shown in those three

4555
02:51:40,389 --> 02:51:37,680
videos those three videos i think mick

4556
02:51:43,990 --> 02:51:40,399
west may be right

4557
02:51:46,389 --> 02:51:44,000
that those three videos are one thing

4558
02:51:48,870 --> 02:51:46,399
it's the eyewitness testimony

4559
02:51:50,950 --> 02:51:48,880
of the crew members and the pilots that

4560
02:51:53,830 --> 02:51:50,960
give support to those videos but the

4561
02:51:55,670 --> 02:51:53,840
videos and of themselves mick west is

4562
02:51:57,030 --> 02:51:55,680
probably correct

4563
02:51:59,590 --> 02:51:57,040
okay

4564
02:52:01,190 --> 02:51:59,600
and again my opinion

4565
02:52:03,830 --> 02:52:01,200
goes back to

4566
02:52:06,230 --> 02:52:03,840
what the department of defense susan gao

4567
02:52:08,070 --> 02:52:06,240
said of those videos

4568
02:52:09,590 --> 02:52:08,080
and i will quote

4569
02:52:12,710 --> 02:52:09,600
she said

4570
02:52:15,590 --> 02:52:12,720
there is nothing in these videos that

4571
02:52:16,469 --> 02:52:15,600
are uh of of

4572
02:52:18,550 --> 02:52:16,479
uh

4573
02:52:21,670 --> 02:52:18,560
secret technology there's nothing in

4574
02:52:24,230 --> 02:52:21,680
these videos that are revealing anything

4575
02:52:25,590 --> 02:52:24,240
well if those videos have ufos in it i

4576
02:52:27,750 --> 02:52:25,600
would assume

4577
02:52:31,510 --> 02:52:27,760
that is some important technology to

4578
02:52:33,190 --> 02:52:31,520
somebody but for the navy to say

4579
02:52:35,670 --> 02:52:33,200
there's nothing in these videos that

4580
02:52:37,510 --> 02:52:35,680
we're concerned about that says

4581
02:52:41,030 --> 02:52:37,520
everything and that's why i go back to

4582
02:52:43,269 --> 02:52:41,040
mick west is probably correct

4583
02:52:46,309 --> 02:52:43,279
uh correct if you will clarify for me in

4584
02:52:48,870 --> 02:52:46,319
what capacity uh that uh the gimbal is a

4585
02:52:51,190 --> 02:52:48,880
rotating lens for instance

4586
02:52:53,510 --> 02:52:51,200
uh that the tic tac video that chad

4587
02:52:57,110 --> 02:52:53,520
underwood shot that's not any

4588
02:53:00,389 --> 02:52:57,120
extraordinary movements of the craft it

4589
02:53:02,790 --> 02:53:00,399
is uh the uh the locking system going

4590
02:53:05,030 --> 02:53:02,800
off readjusting and locking on but that

4591
02:53:06,870 --> 02:53:05,040
tic tac didn't fly anywhere

4592
02:53:10,550 --> 02:53:06,880
all right there was nothing there was

4593
02:53:14,469 --> 02:53:10,560
that the tic tacs flight in that was not

4594
02:53:15,990 --> 02:53:14,479
of mach 50 right right appear to be and

4595
02:53:17,590 --> 02:53:16,000
i've seen kevin knows say the same

4596
02:53:19,429 --> 02:53:17,600
things you know he's he's pointed out

4597
02:53:21,429 --> 02:53:19,439
the fact that you know the description

4598
02:53:23,190 --> 02:53:21,439
uh initially given of like favor of like

4599
02:53:24,309 --> 02:53:23,200
a ping pong ball in a jar or something

4600
02:53:25,990 --> 02:53:24,319
like that and this thing being able to

4601
02:53:27,590 --> 02:53:26,000
move so erratically he's like you know

4602
02:53:29,110 --> 02:53:27,600
it's disappointing when you look at the

4603
02:53:31,030 --> 02:53:29,120
footage because that ain't what you're

4604
02:53:33,750 --> 02:53:31,040
seeing you're seeing no zigzag you're

4605
02:53:35,910 --> 02:53:33,760
not seeing anything extraordinary no not

4606
02:53:37,910 --> 02:53:35,920
and so but again

4607
02:53:40,710 --> 02:53:37,920
the problem i see with again you say

4608
02:53:42,230 --> 02:53:40,720
mick west is right i think the the

4609
02:53:44,550 --> 02:53:42,240
a better way to say that would be mick

4610
02:53:45,590 --> 02:53:44,560
west is no doubt right about a lot of

4611
02:53:47,030 --> 02:53:45,600
things

4612
02:53:49,590 --> 02:53:47,040
but that doesn't necessarily mean

4613
02:53:51,349 --> 02:53:49,600
they're for friendly f-18

4614
02:53:52,389 --> 02:53:51,359
in my opinion he can be right about a

4615
02:53:53,910 --> 02:53:52,399
lot of things

4616
02:53:55,750 --> 02:53:53,920
and he may be pointing out a lot of

4617
02:53:57,510 --> 02:53:55,760
things about the data

4618
02:53:59,670 --> 02:53:57,520
that ufo researchers are missing i mean

4619
02:54:01,030 --> 02:53:59,680
i absolutely believe that mick is you

4620
02:54:03,269 --> 02:54:01,040
know one of the better analysts out

4621
02:54:05,030 --> 02:54:03,279
there but my problem is that i think

4622
02:54:06,550 --> 02:54:05,040
that because he can make a couple of

4623
02:54:08,469 --> 02:54:06,560
assessments and

4624
02:54:09,750 --> 02:54:08,479
in likelihood correct assessments about

4625
02:54:10,550 --> 02:54:09,760
the footage and what we're actually

4626
02:54:12,150 --> 02:54:10,560
seeing

4627
02:54:13,429 --> 02:54:12,160
he therefore says

4628
02:54:15,349 --> 02:54:13,439
it must

4629
02:54:18,230 --> 02:54:15,359
on account of that either be a distant

4630
02:54:20,469 --> 02:54:18,240
aircraft or a friendly f-18

4631
02:54:23,590 --> 02:54:20,479
again if that were the case where is the

4632
02:54:25,030 --> 02:54:23,600
transponder on that 747 even at a

4633
02:54:26,870 --> 02:54:25,040
distance that should have been easily

4634
02:54:29,910 --> 02:54:26,880
discernible at the time

4635
02:54:32,309 --> 02:54:29,920
where is the object on radar

4636
02:54:34,469 --> 02:54:32,319
if this was a friendly f-18 why was it

4637
02:54:35,830 --> 02:54:34,479
attempting to jam

4638
02:54:37,190 --> 02:54:35,840
underwood's radar as he has said

4639
02:54:39,429 --> 02:54:37,200
repeatedly

4640
02:54:41,349 --> 02:54:39,439
you know where's the signatures of any

4641
02:54:43,670 --> 02:54:41,359
kind of a propulsion system if it's a

4642
02:54:45,349 --> 02:54:43,680
friendly f-18 at a distance of around 19

4643
02:54:47,030 --> 02:54:45,359
miles again at one time they'd try to

4644
02:54:48,630 --> 02:54:47,040
say it was a very you know much greater

4645
02:54:50,870 --> 02:54:48,640
distance away but they've had to concede

4646
02:54:52,389 --> 02:54:50,880
that indeed it's about like i think 19

4647
02:54:53,510 --> 02:54:52,399
like nautical miles i think was the

4648
02:54:57,030 --> 02:54:53,520
distance

4649
02:54:59,190 --> 02:54:57,040
discernible

4650
02:55:00,469 --> 02:54:59,200
evidences of techno signatures if you

4651
02:55:02,230 --> 02:55:00,479
will that should have been discernible

4652
02:55:03,910 --> 02:55:02,240
from any kind of conventional aircraft

4653
02:55:05,429 --> 02:55:03,920
whatever is in that footage

4654
02:55:07,750 --> 02:55:05,439
unimpressive though its flight

4655
02:55:09,830 --> 02:55:07,760
characteristics appear to be

4656
02:55:11,830 --> 02:55:09,840
it doesn't have the characteristics of

4657
02:55:13,670 --> 02:55:11,840
an a clearly easily

4658
02:55:15,910 --> 02:55:13,680
identifiable

4659
02:55:18,469 --> 02:55:15,920
aircraft the make and model whether it

4660
02:55:19,750 --> 02:55:18,479
be civilian or a military aircraft now

4661
02:55:21,269 --> 02:55:19,760
that doesn't necessarily mean that

4662
02:55:23,110 --> 02:55:21,279
what's in the video therefore must be

4663
02:55:24,550 --> 02:55:23,120
something extraordinary again the point

4664
02:55:26,389 --> 02:55:24,560
i'm trying to make is mick may be right

4665
02:55:28,150 --> 02:55:26,399
about some things but there are still a

4666
02:55:31,269 --> 02:55:28,160
lot of questions that remain unresolved

4667
02:55:33,269 --> 02:55:31,279
about that footage okay so this is the

4668
02:55:34,630 --> 02:55:33,279
quote from susan gao

4669
02:55:37,030 --> 02:55:34,640
are you ready

4670
02:55:38,950 --> 02:55:37,040
yes after a thorough review the

4671
02:55:41,510 --> 02:55:38,960
department determined that the

4672
02:55:45,190 --> 02:55:41,520
authorized release of these unclassified

4673
02:55:48,070 --> 02:55:45,200
videos does not reveal any sensitive

4674
02:55:49,349 --> 02:55:48,080
capabilities or systems

4675
02:55:51,349 --> 02:55:49,359
end quote

4676
02:55:52,230 --> 02:55:51,359
right

4677
02:55:54,630 --> 02:55:52,240
yeah

4678
02:55:56,790 --> 02:55:54,640
so what's your point my point is

4679
02:55:59,429 --> 02:55:56,800
they don't think it's a ufo

4680
02:56:02,710 --> 02:55:59,439
they know exactly what's in that video

4681
02:56:04,950 --> 02:56:02,720
and it's not it does not reveal any

4682
02:56:07,990 --> 02:56:04,960
sensitive capabilities or systems if

4683
02:56:10,469 --> 02:56:08,000
there's some crazy ass propulsion system

4684
02:56:12,870 --> 02:56:10,479
that is anti-gravity i would say that

4685
02:56:14,469 --> 02:56:12,880
that is a sensitive capability

4686
02:56:15,910 --> 02:56:14,479
well yeah and therefore if they knew

4687
02:56:17,510 --> 02:56:15,920
what that was and that's what that was

4688
02:56:19,190 --> 02:56:17,520
they wouldn't say that there was no

4689
02:56:20,150 --> 02:56:19,200
sensitive capability represented in the

4690
02:56:22,790 --> 02:56:20,160
footage

4691
02:56:24,950 --> 02:56:22,800
but they do that's exactly what they say

4692
02:56:27,990 --> 02:56:24,960
let me read it to you again mike maybe

4693
02:56:30,630 --> 02:56:28,000
you didn't after a thorough review of

4694
02:56:33,349 --> 02:56:30,640
the department has determined that the

4695
02:56:37,150 --> 02:56:33,359
authorized release of these unclassified

4696
02:56:41,110 --> 02:56:37,160
videos does not reveal any sensitive

4697
02:56:43,830 --> 02:56:41,120
capabilities or systems and does not

4698
02:56:46,389 --> 02:56:43,840
impinge on any subsequent investigations

4699
02:56:49,750 --> 02:56:46,399
of military airspace incursions by

4700
02:56:51,510 --> 02:56:49,760
unidentified aerial phenomena end quote

4701
02:56:53,349 --> 02:56:51,520
right so

4702
02:56:54,790 --> 02:56:53,359
let's presume they can't identify what's

4703
02:56:56,790 --> 02:56:54,800
in the footage

4704
02:56:59,670 --> 02:56:56,800
okay well if it's not

4705
02:57:01,590 --> 02:56:59,680
there's ours and if they can't identify

4706
02:57:03,990 --> 02:57:01,600
it then there's no kind of national

4707
02:57:06,870 --> 02:57:04,000
intelligence concern is there right well

4708
02:57:09,990 --> 02:57:06,880
she clearly says we don't give a crap is

4709
02:57:11,990 --> 02:57:10,000
what she says what they say again in the

4710
02:57:14,230 --> 02:57:12,000
is is that a independent statement from

4711
02:57:16,550 --> 02:57:14,240
susan golfer yes this is this is the

4712
02:57:17,670 --> 02:57:16,560
press release from the department of

4713
02:57:21,750 --> 02:57:17,680
defense

4714
02:57:23,590 --> 02:57:21,760
and uh this was april 27 2020 immediate

4715
02:57:25,349 --> 02:57:23,600
release this is from the pentagon's

4716
02:57:26,550 --> 02:57:25,359
website that's the one you know

4717
02:57:29,030 --> 02:57:26,560
accompanying the release of these

4718
02:57:30,710 --> 02:57:29,040
historical navy videos right yeah so

4719
02:57:32,469 --> 02:57:30,720
again what they have said is they can't

4720
02:57:33,510 --> 02:57:32,479
identify the object in the footage but

4721
02:57:35,750 --> 02:57:33,520
after

4722
02:57:37,910 --> 02:57:35,760
reviewing the footage following its

4723
02:57:39,349 --> 02:57:37,920
unauthorized release in 2017 one of them

4724
02:57:41,910 --> 02:57:39,359
by the way had been online for years

4725
02:57:44,150 --> 02:57:41,920
before that they said no sensitive data

4726
02:57:46,070 --> 02:57:44,160
no sensitive capabilities

4727
02:57:48,150 --> 02:57:46,080
are conveyed in this footage so we can

4728
02:57:49,510 --> 02:57:48,160
release this it's it's you know viewable

4729
02:57:50,870 --> 02:57:49,520
by the public this is released for

4730
02:57:53,110 --> 02:57:50,880
public consumption

4731
02:57:55,110 --> 02:57:53,120
now again if these were our technologies

4732
02:57:57,030 --> 02:57:55,120
i.e the objects the subjects of the film

4733
02:57:58,790 --> 02:57:57,040
whatever was being filmed

4734
02:57:59,990 --> 02:57:58,800
if that were our own technology i don't

4735
02:58:00,950 --> 02:58:00,000
think that they would release that and

4736
02:58:02,469 --> 02:58:00,960
say

4737
02:58:04,790 --> 02:58:02,479
uh well there's nothing sensitive in

4738
02:58:06,309 --> 02:58:04,800
this footage if they can't identify it

4739
02:58:09,110 --> 02:58:06,319
but they also don't believe that to be

4740
02:58:10,550 --> 02:58:09,120
anything of direct concern i mean they

4741
02:58:12,710 --> 02:58:10,560
may say that these things are of

4742
02:58:14,550 --> 02:58:12,720
potential concern to national security

4743
02:58:16,710 --> 02:58:14,560
the preliminary assessment says it is a

4744
02:58:19,030 --> 02:58:16,720
challenge to national security and a

4745
02:58:20,790 --> 02:58:19,040
potential threat to aviation

4746
02:58:22,550 --> 02:58:20,800
but again if they don't know what is in

4747
02:58:25,269 --> 02:58:22,560
that video and it doesn't seem to be a

4748
02:58:26,630 --> 02:58:25,279
technology of ours that shouldn't be

4749
02:58:27,830 --> 02:58:26,640
you know made available for public

4750
02:58:28,870 --> 02:58:27,840
consumption through the release of that

4751
02:58:30,309 --> 02:58:28,880
video

4752
02:58:32,070 --> 02:58:30,319
i mean that seems to be pretty

4753
02:58:33,429 --> 02:58:32,080
self-explanatory okay there's nothing in

4754
02:58:35,670 --> 02:58:33,439
this video you guys shouldn't see here

4755
02:58:37,429 --> 02:58:35,680
you go here's some videos of some weird

4756
02:58:38,550 --> 02:58:37,439
stuff we can't you know explain there

4757
02:58:39,830 --> 02:58:38,560
you go

4758
02:58:41,190 --> 02:58:39,840
so i mean

4759
02:58:44,150 --> 02:58:41,200
and let's also point out that those

4760
02:58:45,750 --> 02:58:44,160
videos were not of a highly classified

4761
02:58:47,750 --> 02:58:45,760
nature when they were you know prior to

4762
02:58:49,910 --> 02:58:47,760
their authorized release

4763
02:58:51,429 --> 02:58:49,920
they were unclassified for special use

4764
02:58:52,790 --> 02:58:51,439
only

4765
02:58:55,269 --> 02:58:52,800
i mean that's true i mean that's

4766
02:58:56,630 --> 02:58:55,279
interesting yeah and and although we're

4767
02:59:00,389 --> 02:58:56,640
out of time

4768
02:59:04,550 --> 02:59:00,399
and i love the spirited discussion

4769
02:59:07,349 --> 02:59:04,560
uh i really do but um i i just came to

4770
02:59:09,269 --> 02:59:07,359
a few conclusions we've used that word

4771
02:59:12,710 --> 02:59:09,279
uh a few times tonight

4772
02:59:14,790 --> 02:59:12,720
with um uh not only these statements

4773
02:59:15,750 --> 02:59:14,800
coming from susan gao which there were

4774
02:59:18,710 --> 02:59:15,760
many

4775
02:59:21,670 --> 02:59:18,720
where they also started to contradict

4776
02:59:24,870 --> 02:59:21,680
themselves over the next couple of years

4777
02:59:26,550 --> 02:59:24,880
and so you can't have things again both

4778
02:59:29,429 --> 02:59:26,560
ways which i think the department of

4779
02:59:31,110 --> 02:59:29,439
defense has been trying to do i know the

4780
02:59:35,429 --> 02:59:31,120
phenomenon is real i know that we're

4781
02:59:38,070 --> 02:59:35,439
being visited i know i i i know this

4782
02:59:40,630 --> 02:59:38,080
okay and i know that uh right now we've

4783
02:59:42,870 --> 02:59:40,640
got some cooperation coming out of of

4784
02:59:45,990 --> 02:59:42,880
the pentagon in washington dc i'm

4785
02:59:48,550 --> 02:59:46,000
enjoying the moment i don't like uh the

4786
02:59:50,309 --> 02:59:48,560
flip-flop and the

4787
02:59:52,550 --> 02:59:50,319
very apparent

4788
02:59:54,870 --> 02:59:52,560
uh information and disinformation that

4789
02:59:57,269 --> 02:59:54,880
is being put out into the public

4790
02:59:59,030 --> 02:59:57,279
and it's it's confusing to everybody

4791
03:00:01,670 --> 02:59:59,040
it's confusing to me

4792
03:00:05,110 --> 03:00:01,680
and it seems like we were on

4793
03:00:06,710 --> 03:00:05,120
a pretty solid uh trajectory

4794
03:00:10,550 --> 03:00:06,720
and and things are starting to get

4795
03:00:12,790 --> 03:00:10,560
derailed now and and that's it you know

4796
03:00:15,110 --> 03:00:12,800
micah you've been at this for a very

4797
03:00:17,429 --> 03:00:15,120
long time how many

4798
03:00:19,510 --> 03:00:17,439
opportunities have we had laid in front

4799
03:00:21,269 --> 03:00:19,520
of us when

4800
03:00:22,469 --> 03:00:21,279
it's like okay now we have to wait for

4801
03:00:26,389 --> 03:00:22,479
next year

4802
03:00:27,510 --> 03:00:26,399
and that's where we find ourselves once

4803
03:00:29,190 --> 03:00:27,520
again

4804
03:00:31,830 --> 03:00:29,200
yeah and listen you need to remember

4805
03:00:33,510 --> 03:00:31,840
ladies and gents back in the uh in the

4806
03:00:35,510 --> 03:00:33,520
early days of the obama administration

4807
03:00:38,150 --> 03:00:35,520
you remember when they had those i think

4808
03:00:40,230 --> 03:00:38,160
it was the we the people petitions and

4809
03:00:41,910 --> 03:00:40,240
remember there was a very popular

4810
03:00:44,630 --> 03:00:41,920
petition at that time

4811
03:00:46,950 --> 03:00:44,640
requesting evidence of extraterrestrial

4812
03:00:48,790 --> 03:00:46,960
visitation to earth

4813
03:00:50,469 --> 03:00:48,800
and predictably the response from

4814
03:00:53,110 --> 03:00:50,479
government had been well we don't have

4815
03:00:56,389 --> 03:00:53,120
any data in support of that idea

4816
03:00:58,230 --> 03:00:56,399
and many more hardcore ufo researchers

4817
03:00:59,910 --> 03:00:58,240
you know like leslie kane i was one of

4818
03:01:02,230 --> 03:00:59,920
those as well you know we were looking

4819
03:01:04,389 --> 03:01:02,240
at it going don't go in there

4820
03:01:07,030 --> 03:01:04,399
with guns blazing and ask with such

4821
03:01:08,790 --> 03:01:07,040
species specificity we want

4822
03:01:10,309 --> 03:01:08,800
the evidence of extraterrestrial

4823
03:01:11,910 --> 03:01:10,319
visitation no

4824
03:01:13,830 --> 03:01:11,920
had there been a petition saying you

4825
03:01:16,070 --> 03:01:13,840
know we would like for

4826
03:01:17,990 --> 03:01:16,080
reasonable declassification of

4827
03:01:20,230 --> 03:01:18,000
intelligence

4828
03:01:23,830 --> 03:01:20,240
gathered on objects of unknown origin in

4829
03:01:27,110 --> 03:01:23,840
our skies again intentionally vague

4830
03:01:28,790 --> 03:01:27,120
right yes there might have been far more

4831
03:01:30,550 --> 03:01:28,800
response to the petition but what

4832
03:01:32,870 --> 03:01:30,560
happened was the first one

4833
03:01:35,190 --> 03:01:32,880
which worded it incorrectly i'm just

4834
03:01:37,990 --> 03:01:35,200
going to say it that one got all the

4835
03:01:40,950 --> 03:01:38,000
media attention there was tremendous

4836
03:01:42,309 --> 03:01:40,960
i mean just tremendous escalation of

4837
03:01:43,910 --> 03:01:42,319
attention that that thing got through

4838
03:01:45,910 --> 03:01:43,920
the media and there was so much momentum

4839
03:01:47,990 --> 03:01:45,920
that built and then of course as we all

4840
03:01:50,150 --> 03:01:48,000
knew it would do it fell flat and then

4841
03:01:52,070 --> 03:01:50,160
there was a second attempt to try and

4842
03:01:53,830 --> 03:01:52,080
ask more appropriately for information

4843
03:01:55,269 --> 03:01:53,840
on unidentified aerial phenomena or

4844
03:01:56,790 --> 03:01:55,279
something to that effect

4845
03:01:59,590 --> 03:01:56,800
didn't even get enough traction to get

4846
03:02:02,550 --> 03:01:59,600
the the required number of upvotes to be

4847
03:02:04,550 --> 03:02:02,560
able to qualify for a response

4848
03:02:06,870 --> 03:02:04,560
so the lesson we learn from things like

4849
03:02:08,630 --> 03:02:06,880
this is again we often in the ufo

4850
03:02:10,630 --> 03:02:08,640
community get ahead of ourselves and

4851
03:02:13,670 --> 03:02:10,640
when we build so much momentum but we

4852
03:02:15,429 --> 03:02:13,680
don't do the very best that we can and

4853
03:02:17,269 --> 03:02:15,439
play the long game with the momentum we

4854
03:02:19,670 --> 03:02:17,279
build if we get ahead of ourselves and

4855
03:02:21,670 --> 03:02:19,680
we fall flat it's often sometimes years

4856
03:02:22,870 --> 03:02:21,680
or even decades before we have another

4857
03:02:24,389 --> 03:02:22,880
opportunity

4858
03:02:25,750 --> 03:02:24,399
where enough public interest is

4859
03:02:27,429 --> 03:02:25,760
generated and there can be enough

4860
03:02:29,269 --> 03:02:27,439
momentum built behind a movement so what

4861
03:02:30,630 --> 03:02:29,279
we've seen in recent years

4862
03:02:32,309 --> 03:02:30,640
has been tremendous

4863
03:02:33,910 --> 03:02:32,319
i don't doubt that there are probably

4864
03:02:35,269 --> 03:02:33,920
some shady elements you know there have

4865
03:02:37,429 --> 03:02:35,279
been some players who are more

4866
03:02:39,510 --> 03:02:37,439
interested in their own self

4867
03:02:42,309 --> 03:02:39,520
interest and how they benefit from it

4868
03:02:44,150 --> 03:02:42,319
then how we all as team civilization

4869
03:02:45,190 --> 03:02:44,160
will benefit from this and i realize

4870
03:02:47,910 --> 03:02:45,200
we're out of time but i'll just leave

4871
03:02:49,750 --> 03:02:47,920
you with this right now is a important

4872
03:02:52,309 --> 03:02:49,760
time no matter what your thoughts about

4873
03:02:54,630 --> 03:02:52,319
this subject are and where it goes from

4874
03:02:56,870 --> 03:02:54,640
here really is in our hands what we do

4875
03:02:59,110 --> 03:02:56,880
with it is our choice but as a student

4876
03:03:00,389 --> 03:02:59,120
of history we learn the lessons history

4877
03:03:01,910 --> 03:03:00,399
teaches us

4878
03:03:03,349 --> 03:03:01,920
so that we don't repeat those mistakes

4879
03:03:05,910 --> 03:03:03,359
from the past

4880
03:03:07,670 --> 03:03:05,920
all i ask people go read books learn

4881
03:03:10,790 --> 03:03:07,680
about the history of this phenomenon you

4882
03:03:13,110 --> 03:03:10,800
know study the history and know what is

4883
03:03:15,269 --> 03:03:13,120
best and how we can do the best right

4884
03:03:17,429 --> 03:03:15,279
now that we can to move this topic

4885
03:03:19,349 --> 03:03:17,439
forward because it may be yet again like

4886
03:03:21,110 --> 03:03:19,359
i opened the show talking about i'll say

4887
03:03:22,870 --> 03:03:21,120
again here at the end it may be the most

4888
03:03:25,670 --> 03:03:22,880
significant subject we'll all

4889
03:03:26,710 --> 03:03:25,680
collectively ever face as humanity

4890
03:03:29,429 --> 03:03:26,720
period

4891
03:03:31,190 --> 03:03:29,439
and that's why you are micah hanks

4892
03:03:32,870 --> 03:03:31,200
thank you so much micah stay right there

4893
03:03:35,269 --> 03:03:32,880
i'll talk to you after the show i got to

4894
03:03:37,750 --> 03:03:35,279
run credits we just blew past everything

4895
03:03:41,110 --> 03:03:37,760
including the last commercial break

4896
03:03:42,950 --> 03:03:41,120
and i did it because it was micah hanks

4897
03:03:44,389 --> 03:03:42,960
i am your host jimmy church i want to

4898
03:03:46,710 --> 03:03:44,399
remind everybody tomorrow night right

4899
03:03:48,710 --> 03:03:46,720
here ronnie leblanc

4900
03:03:50,389 --> 03:03:48,720
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4901
03:03:52,710 --> 03:03:50,399
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4902
03:03:54,950 --> 03:03:52,720
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4903
03:03:57,510 --> 03:03:54,960
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4904
03:04:00,230 --> 03:03:57,520
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4905
03:04:02,150 --> 03:04:00,240
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4906
03:04:03,910 --> 03:04:02,160
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4907
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the game changer network and syndication

4908
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is kgra

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the planet this broadcast owned

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copyrighted 2021 by fade to black in the

4911
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game changer network inc it cannot be

4912
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re-broadcast downloaded copied or used

4913
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anywhere in the known universe without

4914
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written permission from paid to black or

4915
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the game changer network i'm your host

4916
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jimmy church until tomorrow night with

4917
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ronnie leblanc i want to say thank you

4918
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to micah hanks i want everybody to be

4919
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safe

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[Applause]

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[Music]

4922
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wow